Ford Range Increase Coming?

[SnBGC]

And that is the conundrum right there....

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[SnBGC]

That concerned me a little too. Also the Ford mobile charger (went from 22 miles each hour to 21). It's possible that's because of charger loss instead of vehicle mileage, but if the latter, miles/kWh could have shrunk ~5%.

I dont think it is that much. It really could have been 21.8 that was rounded up and then 21.3 that was rounded down so maybe 2-3%? Then figure in charging in AZ is slower than charging in Michigan and the variances come into play.

 

[macchiaz-o]

I dont think it is that much. It really could have been 21.8 that was rounded up and then 21.3 that was rounded down so maybe 2-3%? Then figure in charging in AZ is slower than charging in Michigan and the variances come into play.

The latest figure is 20 estimated range mph of charging on an ER RWD.

See change notes here:
https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...ow-available-on-fordparts-com.1570/post-45415

 

[Jolteon]

I have 35,000 miles of logged efficiency data from my own vehicle. What's more objective than data?

 

[Jolteon]

I'm not sure what you gain by constantly changing what you're arguing about so that you're "right" in your own eyes. You're always right, I get it. My data is irrelevant because you're right, duh.

 

[trutolife27]

I'm not sure what you gain by constantly changing what you're arguing about so that you're "right" in your own eyes. You're always right, I get it. My data is irrelevant because you're right, duh.

what model is your tesla model 3? rear wheel, AWD, or performance. how many miles are you getting on a charge? Thanks for the info I would like to hear.

 

[SnBGC]

It will be easier to help you once you get your car. Those of us with EV experience should be able to quickly figure out how to get the best range from the MME in times of need.

Simply put....you dont want to keep a steady speed unless you are on totally flat terrain. There is a technique for hills and mountains that can minimize waste.

Plus there are other things you can do to ensure you reach your next charge point. Some legs you can fly....some legs you might have to slow it down a bit. It's really overblown right now. When we get our cars we will share our experiences with each other and learn what works best.

Hang in there. You are going to love this car!

 

[Jolteon]

what model is your tesla model 3? rear wheel, AWD, or performance. how many miles are you getting on a charge? Thanks for the info I would like to hear.

RWD, Mid Range. 18" wheels without the aero covers. 260 EPA est.

I've never said the car gets 260. What I said was that the user here who said "in freezing temps expect less than half" does not align with my ownership experience. Neither does their statement that the "only way to get close is to drive under 50 or 60 and not use the climate control" because again, I can point to drives where faster speeds achieved rated efficiency.

Lifetime consumption over 35,000 miles is at 86.7% of EPA rated efficiency - including mixed highway and city driving, 0F days and 100F days, so an "average" range of 225.4 miles.

The lowest temperature efficiency bin for me is 5-10F and that is at 66.3% of EPA rated range. Nowhere near as bad as "less than half." I

I can also point to data that at on a 200mi drive averaging 67MPH (max 83) and 82.1F average exterior temp and 68F average interior temp I can achieve 101% EPA efficiency - with a net elevation gain of 230ft along the route. So I consider +1% at 67mph and climate control ON to be sufficient data to rebut the statement that I originally replied to that "only way to get close is to drive under 50 or 60 and not use the climate control."

I make no excuses that it isn't 100.0% of EPA range at all time at all speeds and in all conditions - because that's true of physics for ICE or BEV.

 

[Regularmache]

Why do we only obsess about range for BEV's, because the infra and recharge time aren't there yet. Honestly, nobody buying an ICE based vehicle even talks about range. I've had a few rental cars lately and it's actually shocked me how the size of the gas tank has shrank to the point where the expected range on my most recent vehicle was 325 miles. ICE buyers just take for granted that there will be a refueling station readily available when they need it and it won't take more than 10 minutes to fill up. That and initial cost are the real barriers to BEV's, not range.

Said differently I may have once gotten 607 miles on a tank of gas in my Prius, but I've moved on. 270 miles on a MME, 110 on a Mini, 259 on a Bolt suits me just fine. I bought (or intend to buy in the case of the MME) each of those cars knowing that up front and I've not looked back once.

Well, lucky for me my F150 has a 35 gallon tank so I've got 630 miles of range! Non stop, as long as I'm wearing a diaper!?

 

[JellyBelly]

I dont think it is that much. It really could have been 21.8 that was rounded up and then 21.3 that was rounded down so maybe 2-3%? Then figure in charging in AZ is slower than charging in Michigan and the variances come into play.

Hmm - I did not realize that rate of charging differs by location? I dont own a BEV so still learning. Is the difference in location based on say temp in the garage when charging with the Ford charger or something else..

 

[DBC]

Why should everybody only care about highway? Do you know what the Highway Cycle is?

This is not that complex. The EPA range is a good approximation. Drive more aggressively and the range will be less. Drive less aggressively and the range will be more.

In practice you know where you are going. So take a look at Google Maps and figure out how much range you need. Then figure out where the DC chargers are. Then decide where you will stop based on how risk averse you are. Rather than worrying about the plus/minus range on the vehicle you should be worrying about how robust the DC charging network is.

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