Ford says their supercharger only

[Kamuelaflyer]

And he probably has your Social Security number.

Fixed that for you.

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[AhardFSU]

Fixed that for you.

And your tax returns ?

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

I will see what the maintenance dept at the Ford dealer says. Hopefully, they will not pass the buck. Plus, It would have been nice if Ford told me before I bought the A2Z. The A2Z received high reviews, so if it Does melt the inlet port, it looks like Ford or Tesla should go after A2Z. Overall, if it is THAT important, Ford should have said something when I bought the car.

They'd have to prove the third-party adapter caused the issue. Also, the Ford branded adapter is a third-party adapter — Lectron makes it.

Finally, how many melted charge ports have resulted from using an adapter of any sort at a SuperCharger? This idea is bandied about a lot on this forum, so those promoting it need to pony up and give credible evidence of each claim plus evidence it was caused by a Lecron branded Lecron adapter or an A2Z adapter. The so-called prohibition is little more than an attempt to drive up parts sales for Ford under the guise of "something bad will happen."

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

And your tax returns ?

He can do my tax return if he likes. I'll call us even if he pays the amount owed to the Federal government and Governor Green.

 

[bbulkow]

To the question of if it is legal, the answer (from this non-lawyer) is yes, it is. Tesla and Ford are private companies and EV charging involves huge amount of power that could be lethal if something went seriously wrong. To the best of my knowledge there are no requirements for such companies to provide infrastructure interoperable with just any adapter. (There might be something in the NEVI funding requirements, but I kinda doubt it.) I don't think it is unreasonable for Ford and Tesla to limit their liability by making such a statement. (To be clear, this is not a pro-Tesla statement!)

That said, the likelihood that an A2Z adapter would cause an issue is quite low. But as others have noted, if an issue were to happen, and if it was determined that a non-approved adapter was used, that could conceivably be used to seek damages from you. Not likely IMO, but possible.

From a legal perspective, Ford states it supports CCS1 charging. The adapters provide that standard. While there is no committee that says this particular adapter is NACS and CCS1 compliant to standard, I could imagine a cause of action if a company claims a standard, then says oops you can't use things complying with that standard. Regardless of potential harm involved, unless the gear is not safe (and there's a different remedy for that, eg, the initial A2Z recall). False advertising, eg, fraud, to claim a standard then claim you can't use it.

 

[Guss]

They'd have to prove the third-party adapter caused the issue. Also, the Ford branded adapter is a third-party adapter — Lectron makes it.

Finally, how many melted charge ports have resulted from using an adapter of any sort at a SuperCharger? This idea is bandied about a lot on this forum, so those promoting it need to pony up and give credible evidence of each claim plus evidence it was caused by a Lecron branded Lecron adapter or an A2Z adapter. The so-called prohibition is little more than an attempt to drive up parts sales for Ford under the guise of "something bad will happen."

I see your point. Another way to think is, why doesn't Ford use their monopolistic thinking with third-party level 2 chargers for home use? I have a ChargePoint and still looking for an electrician to install it. But, Ford is ok with this third-party idea for home use, but not for a Tesla supercharger. So, your logic makes sense.

 

[ChasingCoral]

I see your point. Another way to think is, why doesn't Ford use their monopolistic thinking with third-party level 2 chargers for home use? I have a ChargePoint and still looking for an electrician to install it. But, Ford is ok with this third-party idea for home use, but not for a Tesla supercharger. So, your logic makes sense.

165 kW >> 11.5 kW

 

[pikepilot]

So far the Tesla Fast Charger Adapters have come well built from reputable companies.....that may not be the case forever (for all I know they sell Chinese knockoffs on Amazon). I wouldn't worry about the Typhoon doing any sort of damage.

 

[Guss]

From a legal perspective, Ford states it supports CCS1 charging. The adapters provide that standard. While there is no committee that says this particular adapter is NACS and CCS1 compliant to standard, I could imagine a cause of action if a company claims a standard, then says oops you can't use things complying with that standard. Regardless of potential harm involved, unless the gear is not safe (and there's a different remedy for that, eg, the initial A2Z recall). False advertising, eg, fraud, to claim a standard then claim you can't use it.

165 kW >> 11.5 kW

Are you saying the amount of power is the issue?

 

[RickMachE]

I will see what the maintenance dept at the Ford dealer says. Hopefully, they will not pass the buck. Plus, It would have been nice if Ford told me before I bought the A2Z. The A2Z received high reviews, so if it Does melt the inlet port, it looks like Ford or Tesla should go after A2Z. Overall, if it is THAT important, Ford should have said something when I bought the car.

So you expect the service dept of an independent dealer to say something different? Or even have a clue?

So far the Tesla Fast Charger Adapters have come well built from reputable companies.....that may not be the case forever (for all I know they sell Chinese knockoffs on Amazon). I wouldn't worry about the Typhoon doing any sort of damage.

There are a dozen or more adapters from crappy Chinese companies on Amazon....

The Typhoon was recalled, the Typhoon Pro is the only adapter from A2Z that should be used.

I see your point. Another way to think is, why doesn't Ford use their monopolistic thinking with third-party level 2 chargers for home use? I have a ChargePoint and still looking for an electrician to install it. But, Ford is ok with this third-party idea for home use, but not for a Tesla supercharger. So, your logic makes sense.

I think you don't understand. Tesla prohibits unapproved adapters, not Ford. Tesla tells them what can be used.

The Ford adapter made by Lectron is approved. The Lectron adapter made by Lectron on their own is not. Why? Tesla.

Do you think that Ford could prevent you from refueling at ChargePoint? Or EVgo? But if the EVgo charger melts the charging port, is Ford going to say "not an approved charger?"

 

[Guss]

So you expect the service dept of an independent dealer to say something different? Or even have a clue?



There are a dozen or more adapters from crappy Chinese companies on Amazon....

The Typhoon was recalled, the Typhoon Pro is the only adapter from A2Z that should be used.

Whether I know if an independent Ford Dealership will tell the truth is anyone's guess. Do you have anything besides rhetoric to offer?

 

[RickMachE]

Whether I know if an independent Ford Dealership will tell the truth is anyone's guess. Do you have anything besides rhetoric to offer?

You're asking a franchisee. They have two options. 1) QUOTE Ford policy. 2) We don't know. They have zero expertise to say anything different. If they did, you should ask the guy at Starbuck's his opinion, it would be worth as much.

 

[ipca204]

I can't believe this thread even exists.... sheesh...

 

[ipca204]

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Whether I know if an independent Ford Dealership will tell the truth is anyone's guess. Do you have anything besides rhetoric to offer?

I believe you are clueless...

 

[GreaseMonkey]

@Guss there are things worth fighting and others not so much. Ford is selling tested and approved adapters for $200. How much did you pay for yours and is the discount worth having unanswered questions? You are driving a $50k+ vehicle. It is not worth saving a McDonalds lunch on an item that facilitates one of the most critical functions on the vehicle. Just return or sell what you have and buy the Ford one and be done with it.

@Kamuelaflyer not sure if you were referencing me, but for the record, I never said that the A2Z would melt your inlet port. I have never heard of any issues with it. I used that as a hypothetical example about the Magnuson-Moss act, and did not mean to imply this issue happened or could happen with an A2Z adapter.

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