It doesn't make sense

[Blue highway]

The e-tron coasts all the time with the foot off the accelerator. If I move the gear from D to N in the e-tron there is not change at all. But if I move the gear from D to N in the Mach-e, there is a noticeable difference. While in Drive, the Mach-e seems to slow down (very slowly) but while in neutral it's like the E-tron, it just coasts. The E-tron does have an automatic regen feature so it will try to slow the vehicle down if the sensors see a car in front, but I just hit the left paddle and it turns it off. I still think the coast mode is a better option to have, which the Mach-e had it.

Coming from an ICE perspective I can understand the assumption that coasting (zero regen) is better than using some regen… under most driving scenarios it is not in terms of maximizing range…. I’m glad ford didn’t use Audis approach. Audis approach feels more like an ICE car but it wastes range under most circumstances.

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[ponEpwr]

The e-tron coasts all the time with the foot off the accelerator. If I move the gear from D to N in the e-tron there is not change at all. But if I move the gear from D to N in the Mach-e, there is a noticeable difference. While in Drive, the Mach-e seems to slow down (very slowly) but while in neutral it's like the E-tron, it just coasts. The E-tron does have an automatic regen feature so it will try to slow the vehicle down if the sensors see a car in front, but I just hit the left paddle and it turns it off. I still think the coast mode is a better option to have, which the Mach-e had it.

Have you turned off 1 pedal driving on the mach e?

 

[astronut325]

I did a short trip to a local dam. This was the trip up:

I can’t make sense of these numbers. And for some reason I don’t see an entry for the return trip.

 

[macchiaz-o]

I did a short trip to a local dam. This was the trip up:

I can’t make sense of these numbers. And for some reason I don’t see an entry for the return trip.

You can make sense of nonsense? Here's one of my recent trips. And no, I wasn't going down mountains. ?

 

[macchiaz-o]

You can make sense of nonsense? Here's one of my recent trips. And no, I wasn't going down mountains. ?

I wonder if @Ford Team, @PaaK_Android, or @dsuyang are still on the lookout for these types of issue reports?

In my case, FordPass seems to be using kWh and distance traveled from adjacent trips in the log, instead of from the same trip.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

I wonder if @Ford Team, @PaaK_Android, or @dsuyang are still on the lookout for these types of issue reports?

In my case, FordPass seems to be using kWh and distance traveled from adjacent trips in the log, instead of from the same trip.

It’s totally accurate. As proof I offer the following from my grocery store run early Friday morning.

As you can see Jonathan, it’s totally within the standard deviation. Yes I have the super extended range battery with 11,316 miles of range. I charged the car up in May 2021 and then again this past Saturday. I fail to see a problem.

 

[daemonic3]

It’s totally accurate. As proof I offer the following from my grocery store run early Friday morning.

As you can see Jonathan, it’s totally within the standard deviation. Yes I have the super extended range battery with 11,316 miles of range. I charged the car up in May 2021 and then again this past Saturday. I fail to see a problem.

Next time use 0kWh so you don't get a pathetic 95% driving score. Can't believe you wasted 0.1kWh like that.

 

[daemonic3]

Have you tried Whisper mode? That does the least regen, and to me feels like it coasts.

^^^ Agree with this. Try Whisper and no 1-pedal. It is the only mode that seems to provide the "coasting" feel when all feets are off all pedals. If you have the power meter visible, you'll see that in Engaged, Unbridled, and any mode with 1PD enabled it will immediately enter green (regen) mode, but Whisper no-1PD will stay blue (using power).

I forget who made the very educational video demo (@Mach1E ?) or I would link it.

 

[dml105]

Again, I would love it if someone could explain why "coasting" (whatever that is) is some feature that Mach-e doesn't have, and why it should, based on math and science, not what people are saying on other forums about other cars.

The way I see it from a physics perspective, coasting is when the motors supply no power to propel the car and no regen to slow the car. I do that all the time with 1PD on.

Now, if coasting is replicating the feel of an ICE vehicle when you take your foot off the gas pedal, that's fine, but I am still not seeing how that would have any direct analog to range in an EV.

 

[luckie]

Again, I would love it if someone could explain why "coasting" (whatever that is) is some feature that Mach-e doesn't have, and why it should, based on math and science, not what people are saying on other forums about other cars.

The way I see it from a physics perspective, coasting is when the motors supply no power to propel the car and no regen to slow the car. I do that all the time with 1PD on.

Now, if coasting is replicating the feel of an ICE vehicle when you take your foot off the gas pedal, that's fine, but I am still not seeing how that would have any direct analog to range in an EV.

As you suspect, I think this is a case where someone likes a feeling of coasting and dislikes the feeling of regenerative braking. Not uncommon for those new to EVs, AND it appears others who have an EV (the e-tron) that does not apply the automatic regeneration approach used in many EVs, called 1-pedal driving, have shared their own intuition via an Internet forum that coasting is better. Like you, I do not think it is likely that eliminating regenerative energy capture is better for range under many/any conditions BUT this is the internet, lol.

 

[DR.J56]

Audi neutral is a fake neutral. See @ 7:00 but I recommend about 5:45 to see why.

 

[Mach1E]

^^^ Agree with this. Try Whisper and no 1-pedal. It is the only mode that seems to provide the "coasting" feel when all feets are off all pedals. If you have the power meter visible, you'll see that in Engaged, Unbridled, and any mode with 1PD enabled it will immediately enter green (regen) mode, but Whisper no-1PD will stay blue (using power).

I forget who made the very educational video demo (@Mach1E ?) or I would link it.

Yup I did:

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

On the other hand, both of these logs are actually quite accurate. A drive from our house at 4400 ft/1330 m msl to sea level over a rolling hills road route trending down. Then a return after several stops in Kona via a slightly different route. This is why my GOM rarely tops 200 miles (AWD ER).

 

[Mustangs & Cobras]

It’s the new math. Nonsense to make you feel good ?. Like the “instant fuel economy” on an ICE. Like a Lincoln town car ever got 99 mpg - even coasting down a mountain!

 

[ctenidae]

Pure coasting makes no sense in an EV, period. If you're willing to slow down very slowly, just feather your right foot until you're decelerating at the pace you want, and you'll pick up a little regen at the same time. Shifting to Neutral does nothing but waste electricity.

The kinetic energy you're losing as you slow down coasting is getting converted to heat, and nothing else. If you feather your foot, you can recapture some of that lost kinetic energy as potential energy in the form of battery charge.

There is no physics-based reason to coast. None. It's 100% personal preference, and personally I think it's a little bit silly to expect Ford to ignore physics for the sake of a few people's misguided desires.

Get used to the way EVs drive, because thermodynamics isn't just a good idea, it's the law.

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