Key Fob

[wmaney]

I ordered mine from same place and the picture they showed is different from yours. The picture you show isn't identical for Mach E that I test drove. Mach E has 4 buttons and remote start isn't one of the buttons. What did dealer charge you for programming your FOB? Since the Mach E doesn't need an emergency key did he give you a break on price to program it? Did you watch and if so, did he use a machine to do it?

Hi illnibird: The pictures in my reply were not posted by me - I was replying to bookworm214: These are my two keys now:

The one on the left is the original key - and the one on the right is the new key - they are identical and have the mustang on the other side - they both have the same part number on them. I did not watch them program the new key. When I called the first locksmith that ended up not being able to do it - he said it would be between $80 to $ 100. The dealer started at $185 and lowered it to $175. Not much of a break. But again I have someone to complain to if the programming doesn't stick. I have gone into the garage - well away from my iPhone and my original key - with only the new key in my pocket. All works well and the dealer checked it out too before giving it to me. Hope this helps.

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[malba2366]

Yes, use the fob. That's the only option if PaaK cannot be setup at all.

Yeah, but what if you leave your home using the phone as a key, and it stops working when you are not at home.

 

[mixduptransistor]

Yeah, but what if you leave your home using the phone as a key, and it stops working when you are not at home.

Then you use the backup code, which becomes available if you have activated Phone-as-a-Key

 

[FPLiptak]

$300 key... was it a German brand? Possibly Porsche or Audi?

My dealer quoted be $306 per key! I said "No Thanks"

Afterwards I ordered two from CarAndTruckRemotes.com for $89.95 each and a 10% discount off of the total bill. Ordered on 03/02 (late) and arrived in the mail on 03/08.

I have scheduled a visit to a locksmith (recommended by CATR) on Friday to see about getting the fobs programmed. The locksmith quoted $80 to program two fobs (and cut the key).

 

[Illinibird]

Hi illnibird: The pictures in my reply were not posted by me - I was replying to bookworm214: These are my two keys now:

The one on the left is the original key - and the one on the right is the new key - they are identical and have the mustang on the other side - they both have the same part number on them. I did not watch them program the new key. When I called the first locksmith that ended up not being able to do it - he said it would be between $80 to $ 100. The dealer started at $185 and lowered it to $175. Not much of a break. But again I have someone to complain to if the programming doesn't stick. I have gone into the garage - well away from my iPhone and my original key - with only the new key in my pocket. All works well and the dealer checked it out too before giving it to me. Hope this helps.

Thank you, it surely does. I'm checking Batteries + because that's a name the company (CATR) who fulfilled my FOB order gave me. The Mustang Mach E is a new car and it's possible that only the dealers can successfully program them right now. Sounds like yours works fine and I'm glad for you. I'm getting the second FOB for my wife as well. I KNOW that if I tried PaaK and it either didn't let her in or wouldn't start the car she'd hate it, wouldn't drive it and be really pissed off at me for getting an electric car in the first place. I want to avoid this heartbreak (and headache) so I'm paying for what Ford should have included with their $60,000 car in the first place. If and when PaaK starts consistently working, I may wean myself off of my FOB but that's a BIG if. One last thing - did the dealer program the one you bought to be person #2? You have original FOB so you're person #1. How do you tell them apart? Are they labelled?

PS - I KNOW you can start the car with a code if you are able to install PaaK but I want to avoid that if I can. Remember KISS and you can't go wrong (usually).

PSS - The programming fee includes cutting the Emergency Key in the FOB but I don't think the Mach E has an emergency slot so it stays blank, right?

 

[machefan]

PSS - The programming fee includes cutting the Emergency Key in the FOB but I don't think the Mach E has an emergency slot so it stays blank, right?

No key, it's blank.

 

[FPLiptak]

Surprisingly yes, they do not offer remote start on the manual Mustang. Always thought that was a missed opportunity.

Sarcasm?

I haven't driven a manual transmission since I traded in my 1983 Dodge Charger 2.2 for a 1999 Mercury Sable but I always left the manual transmission in gear when I parked it.

Am I missing something about remote starting a manual transmission????

 

[generaltso]

Sarcasm?

I haven't driven a manual transmission since I traded in my 1983 Dodge Charger 2.2 for a 1999 Mercury Sable but I always left the manual transmission in gear when I parked it.

Am I missing something about remote starting a manual transmission????

You can have remote start with a manual transmission. You just can't leave it in gear. I had remote start in a manual way back in 1999. It had a little sensor inside the shifter assembly that wouldn't let it start unless it was in neutral.

 

[wmaney]

Thank you, it surely does. I'm checking Batteries + because that's a name the company (CATR) who fulfilled my FOB order gave me. The Mustang Mach E is a new car and it's possible that only the dealers can successfully program them right now. Sounds like yours works fine and I'm glad for you. I'm getting the second FOB for my wife as well. I KNOW that if I tried PaaK and it either didn't let her in or wouldn't start the car she'd hate it, wouldn't drive it and be really pissed off at me for getting an electric car in the first place. I want to avoid this heartbreak (and headache) so I'm paying for what Ford should have included with their $60,000 car in the first place. If and when PaaK starts consistently working, I may wean myself off of my FOB but that's a BIG if. One last thing - did the dealer program the one you bought to be person #2? You have original FOB so you're person #1. How do you tell them apart? Are they labelled?

PS - I KNOW you can start the car with a code if you are able to install PaaK but I want to avoid that if I can. Remember KISS and you can't go wrong (usually).

PSS - The programming fee includes cutting the Emergency Key in the FOB but I don't think the Mach E has an emergency slot so it stays blank, right?

Yes - the emergency "key" stays blank - it's blank in both. You can't see it in the photo I posted, but the service writer used a label maker and put my wife's name on the side of the second key. As with you, there was no way I was going to let my wife use PAAK only - unless it worked flawlessly every time. So not yet and maybe never. Again, absent a dead battery, I have never had a FOB fail (so KISS works). Would be nice if the FOB could pop the frunk. When creating a new software complex feature like PAAK - it should always be presented as a beta - especially when there will be more than one OS (apple, android, etc) involved. And if something is a beta, then the old way should be supplied fully (i.e., two physical keys) until the new system works without issues. Just my thoughts.

 

[SteelMach]

Sarcasm?

I haven't driven a manual transmission since I traded in my 1983 Dodge Charger 2.2 for a 1999 Mercury Sable but I always left the manual transmission in gear when I parked it.

Am I missing something about remote starting a manual transmission????

When you add a gear position sensor you can remote start only when the vehicle is parked in neutral, and with electronic parking brakes, you can also ensure that the parking brake is set. All that tech is available, but Ford does not implement it. Mustang didn't get a gear position sensor until 2018, which is just nuts.

 

[TheVirtualTim]

$300 key... was it a German brand? Possibly Porsche or Audi?

I lost the key fob to my old Toyota Prius. The dealer wanted about $300 to replace and program it (I think it was something like $285). In the end, I found a place to buy the fob for about half that ... and it turns out on a Toyota, if you have at least one remaining fob, you can perform an elaborate chicken-dance ritual to program another fob (no dealer programming needed).

Naturally... about 3 months after buying the replacement, we found that missing fob <sigh>.

 

[Garbone]

There is another way to enter and start the vehicle without a fob and without PaaK. Right there in the manual provided in the glove box and available online. A numerical code you can enter on the B pillar to enter and another code to start. No one should be "stranded" on a mountain top. Just sayin' that some arguments in this thread are starting to sound a bit out there. I did purchase a 2nd fob and will get it programmed today, but that is for convenience, not safety. My wife keeps her fob and phone in her purse. Am I disappointed that PaaK is unreliable? Yes. I am also disappointed in Windows 10 absurdities, and those annoying drivers who don't turn right on a red light when they have hundreds of yards of clear lane.

You need to set a PaaK before you can program a start code. Even if you do not continue to use the Paak, used the start code this weekend as we went camping and I went without the FoB so the car would not honk every time we walked past it in the campground. I wish it was a bit easier to get the start code access screen.

 

[eltonlin]

if you have at least one remaining fob, you can perform an elaborate chicken-dance ritual to program another fob (no dealer programming needed).

If only a simple dog and pony show was all that was needed to program our fobs.

 

[JellyBelly]

they are telling me they can't GET a second of the 'official part' yet, and they would not program the one found 3rd party even if I bought it and brought it in.

https://www.carandtruckremotes.com/2021-ford-mustang-electric-smart-remote-4b.html

I was ok with one Fob (for spare) with the expectation that PAAK was possible and reliable on any SmartPhone. Since PAAK is not possible on my phone, and unreliable at best, I am pushing for a second physical Fob. Yes, for free. I don't care whether Dealer eats it or pressures Ford to change Policy and send second Fobs for all MME owners... but I DO consider this to be a Health and Safety recall to *fix* limitations of PAAK which could strand somebody in severe weather or up the mountains or whatever.

Do you not think a $50k vehicle should come with a key and a spare 'standard' ?

Some other dealer should be able to program it I would think

 

[dtbaker61]

As for your phone not being supported by Phone-as-a-Key... do you mind me asking what phone you have?

I have a Samsung Galaxy J7 V
Android version 9

I'm not sure how to check the version of Bluetooth, but all the 'regular' phone bluetooth features connect just fine.... Never have been able to get PaaK to work, my phone is never recognized as a Key, so I never get a 6 digit Backup Startcode, so I have no spare key or way to start the car if I lose the Fob.... ;(

I did order a spare from CarAndTrucks , and will find a dealer to program it, but I am pissed off that I have to go to all this time and expense to obtain a spare key.

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