Mach-E EPA Ratings Revealed in Window Sticker!

[DBC]

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/topten.jsp

Bigger number wins.

Within reason. You have to put a fairly large error band in there. If two vehicles have large differences in range then the EPA numbers should be indicative. But if the difference is a few percentage points, like 270 miles vs 250 miles, probably not.

Not criticizing the EPA. I think the EPA does a good job. It's just the legacy tests aren't designed for BEVs in the first place, and not for the type of driving where BEV drivers care about range (freeway kinda constant speed).

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[Woeo]

I dont think that is true. I charge to 100% every night and the vehicle has regen braking while leaving the driveway.

Where is it putting the recaptured energy?

 

[Woeo]

Truer words were never written. LOL Range is not that big of a deal, though having said that I got the extended battery like you. But more walking the walk I went with AWD because ... my wife told me to. (Absolutely true).

I'm way more excited about the 150 kW charging. Faster charging enables longer trips. More range not so much.

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If you believed what you claim, you would have ordered a SR.

 

[Mike16]

Where is it putting the recaptured energy?

It takes way more energie to get out of your driveway than regen brake can get at your first stop. It is impossible to start from somewhere and have more battery energie at your arrival. (Except if you start on a hill and let the car go...)

 

[JamieGeek]

If you believed what you claim, you would have ordered a SR.

Not necessarily, they may have a specific reason for LR (a frequent trip just out of range of SR). In that case Range is important but they may not place as much weight on that as other factors (hence AWD instead of RWD--if they really wanted range they would have gone with the RWD).

 

[SnBGC]

Within reason. You have to put a fairly large error band in there. If two vehicles have large differences in range then the EPA numbers should be indicative. But if the difference is a few percentage points, like 270 miles vs 250 miles, probably not.

Not criticizing the EPA. I think the EPA does a good job. It's just the legacy tests aren't designed for BEVs in the first place, and not for the type of driving where BEV drivers care about range (freeway kinda constant speed).

The link I posted is for fuel/energy efficiency. Range isnt discussed nor even relevant there. The metric is how far can a vehicle travel on a gallon of energy. In other words, how efficient is it?

 

[machefan]

Not necessarily, they may have a specific reason for LR (a frequent trip just out of range of SR). In that case Range is important but they may not place as much weight on that as other factors (hence AWD instead of RWD--if they really wanted range they would have gone with the RWD).

Well not so fast, the one thing I am not seeing discussed here is the recommend total charge for regular daily EV use. Most MFG's leave this info off the fancy marketing slides but include it in the user manuals. To extend battery life we are told that we should only charge to 80% on a daily basis. Now we know the MACH-E only has 88% battery usage which leaves around ~10% of non use which generally is reserved at the top and at the bottom end of the battery. So when going with a SR battery you most likely will get 40% less total range of miles with 80%. I say 40% because you will most likely charge to 80% and should not regularly go below 20%. Range is from 20% to 80% and yes you can charge to 100% but that is really is for charge and go, not charge and let it sit at 100%. Food for thought and would be nice if the buffer they included allow for the overhead when at 100% but I somehow doubt it. So far this has been the case for all other EV's.

 

[timbop]

I'm way more excited about the 150 kW charging. Faster charging enables longer trips. More range not so much.

I think this is the real reason the Mach E has a chance to really make a dent in the marketplace. The Kona, Bolt, etc may be cheaper but having to stop for 45 minutes to an hour every 150 miles it's just too much of a compromise. With the ER RWD battery on a long road trip you can take a 30-40 minute stop at lunch and dinner with a couple of 15-20 minute stops in the afternoon. If your hotel has an L2 you charge overnight, or if not you'll have to do 30-40 minutes once you get to your hotel as well - which can then be done while eating breakfast. For example in this plan there is an L2 at the hotel in Richmond, but if it isn't available there's a diner right next to the Walmart. Lunch will be in Henderson and dinner in Greenville. Also note that the Mrs and I are night owls, so we plan to leave later in the morning to avoid rush hour traffic and the first leg to Richmond will start after 7PM for that reason:

 

[JamieGeek]

Well not so fast, the one thing I am not seeing discussed here is the recommend total charge for regular daily EV use. Most MFG's leave this info off the fancy marketing slides but include it in the user manuals. To extend battery life we are told that we should only charge to 80% on a daily basis. Now we know the MACH-E only has 88% battery usage which leaves around ~10% of non use which generally is reserved at the top and at the bottom end of the battery. So when going with a SR battery you most likely will get 40% less total range of miles with 80%. I say 40% because you will most likely charge to 80% and should not regularly go below 20%. Range is from 20% to 80% and yes you can charge to 100% but that is really is for charge and go, not charge and let it sit at 100%. Food for thought and would be nice if the buffer they included allow for the overhead when at 100% but I somehow doubt it. So far this has been the case for all other EV's.

Mach-E owner's manual says 90% daily. Not discussed here but discussed in the owner's manual thread.

 

[machefan]

Mach-E owner's manual says 90% daily. Not discussed here but discussed in the owner's manual thread.

Hopefully it has an always able to keep on auto-shut off at 90% feature and a one time option to 100% when needed. This is the most annoying lack of a feature present in my Leaf EV, you can't set diddly expect for time. I don't care about time as I am not in a location that gives time breaks for peak / off-peak. To keep on point, one has to consider the total recommend charge rate when deciding on total miles need. Also over time along with style of driving your milage will vary, so the SR VS LR might actually make a difference. Just my 2 cents.

 

[generaltso]

Hopefully it has an always able to keep on auto-shut off at 90% feature

It does.

 

[machefan]

It does.

Do you know what page of the manual?

 

[JamieGeek]

Hopefully it has an always able to keep on auto-shut off at 90% feature and a one time option to %100 when needed. This is the most annoying lack of a feature present in my Leaf EV, you can't set diddly expect for time. I don't care about time as I am not in a location that gives time breaks for peak / off-peak. To keep on point, one has to consider the total recommend charge rate when deciding on total miles need. Also over time along with style of driving your milage will vary, so the SR VS LR might actually make a difference. Just my 2 cents.

You set the % to charge to via location. See at 1:50 in this video:

 

[Billyk24]

So roughly 240-250 miles on road trips. Plenty of range between DC chargers and, if that's not enough, slow down 5 MPH and stretch the range if that's necessary. For local driving lots of excess capacity.

I was actually hoping for marginally more but you can't have everything and it wouldn't actually matter. So there is that.

Will be interesting to see the RWD numbers.

In colder weather-like single digit and below 0F-a range loss of 40% would not be uncommon.,

 

[dbsb3233]

Your answer, which probably invalidates the whole article since they so cavalierly mention SOME tests at near freezing:

I'd love an even more accurate 70-80 MPH test and comparison table. Does another source have one? It sure ain't the EPA test.

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