Mach-E Will Not Migrate to Universal EV Platform

[ChehRob]

Your right. What I am concerned about is the assertion that 400v cannot be a high performance vehicle. And Second, that charging speed on the MME is out of date and that 150kW is miserable for a high performance vehicle's charging speed.

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[Selby]

Dang, really was hoping for a second gen Mach-E.

 

[SteveUk]

I feel like I'm cursed, I buy a 2018 Volt (new), and then they cancel it after the next model year. Now I'm buying a 2026 MME (new), and they're probably cancelling it after the next model year.

That is not a curse that is a gift! If it results in this being the last year of the mache you will have a much sought after classic

 

[Stang68]

I'm on my third Mach-E and have really loved them. When my lease is up in December of next year II'm not sure what to do next.

I've always loved the Taycan and buying a used one is really the only way to do it what with depreciation being insane.

 

[Billyk24]

2026 Tesla Model Y Jupiner remains on a 400V charging system. Above 50%Soc the kW rate is around 80! With the same size battery pack as the Mach E it would only charge faster to 80% by a couple of minutes.

 

[AZBill]

2026 Tesla Model Y Jupiner remains on a 400V charging system. Above 50%Soc the kW rate is around 80! With the same size battery pack as the Mach E it would only charge faster to 80% by a couple of minutes.

And the new Chevy Bolt (not high performance) actually charges to 80% faster than the MME or the Model Y. Model Y is not state of the art, neither are the Tesla Superchargers. Even the Tesla chargers derate quickly in warm temperatures when you charge a vehicle that can take in 500A for 10-15 minutes. Their 250kw chargers actually are only about 120kw continuous.

 

[NY_Cade69]

We all should have emmigrated to the EU back when we had the chance, and before Brexit!

 

[Billyk24]

And the new Chevy Bolt (not high performance) actually charges to 80% faster than the MME or the Model Y. Model Y is not state of the art, neither are the Tesla Superchargers. Even the Tesla chargers derate quickly in warm temperatures when you charge a vehicle that can take in 500A for 10-15 minutes. Their 250kw chargers actually are only about 120kw continuous.

interesting to see the Bolt at 1.38 C while the 2026 Tesla Y Juniper at 1.31 C value. The big question is the exact size of the Juniper battery pack. I have European values at 85 kWh while the USA is 82?

 

[buzznwood]

Your right. What I am concerned about is the assertion that 400v cannot be a high performance vehicle. And Second, that charging speed on the MME is out of date and that 150kW is miserable for a high performance vehicle's charging speed.

Do you want sustained high performance or ok with a quick one and done? As efficiency is key for sustained high performance and by sticking to 400v you are needlessly decreasing efficiency while increasing resistive losses and heat.

When it comes to a high performance EV a 400v system is equivalent to the pushed rods of the ICE world, sure you can can get decent good power at a cheaper cost, but it has a much lower ceiling that going above requires additional cost that does not make financial sense.

400v is not going anywhere and will be is fine where high performance isn't a target but 800v+ is no longer limited to a few niche models, any future vehicle that is targeting high performance and sticking with 400v is really just a waste of time at this point, unless of course everyone likes jail bars on power meters to carry on being a mach-e thing.

 

[NY_Cade69]

I think 800v and hyper charging is going to be very niche in the US for the forseeable future.
Only those Auto mfrs with an extremely high European and Asian market position are going to take that financial plunge. GM already had an 800v system in the works so they are not in the position that Ford is. Stellantis is also in a much better position as they are much stronger in the EU than Ford.
Any EV that relies on a US supply chain is not going to push much further than already done in the forseeable future.

Ford will take the wait and see stance on EVs and float along with the 400v architecture, while positioning themselves in US fixed location power systems.

In the US, "we are all terminal cases."

 

[Mark813]

Ford is highly experienced in conceding complete market segments to its competitors. It probably has the narrowest product offering of the legacy domestics.

Chrysler has done a pretty good job of conceding markets by having a minivan and not much else. Dodge has had the Challenger and Charger running the same basic body style since 2008-ish. Of course they are step children in the Stellantis foster home.

I would think Ford could keep the Mach-e running at least another five years. Stripe packages went a long way for the Challenger.

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