Mach-E Will Not Migrate to Universal EV Platform

[ChehRob]

Your right. What I am concerned about is the assertion that 400v cannot be a high performance vehicle. And Second, that charging speed on the MME is out of date and that 150kW is miserable for a high performance vehicle's charging speed.

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[Selby]

Dang, really was hoping for a second gen Mach-E.

 

[SteveUk]

I feel like I'm cursed, I buy a 2018 Volt (new), and then they cancel it after the next model year. Now I'm buying a 2026 MME (new), and they're probably cancelling it after the next model year.

That is not a curse that is a gift! If it results in this being the last year of the mache you will have a much sought after classic

 

[Stang68]

I'm on my third Mach-E and have really loved them. When my lease is up in December of next year II'm not sure what to do next.

I've always loved the Taycan and buying a used one is really the only way to do it what with depreciation being insane.

 

[Billyk24]

2026 Tesla Model Y Jupiner remains on a 400V charging system. Above 50%Soc the kW rate is around 80! With the same size battery pack as the Mach E it would only charge faster to 80% by a couple of minutes.

 

[AZBill]

2026 Tesla Model Y Jupiner remains on a 400V charging system. Above 50%Soc the kW rate is around 80! With the same size battery pack as the Mach E it would only charge faster to 80% by a couple of minutes.

And the new Chevy Bolt (not high performance) actually charges to 80% faster than the MME or the Model Y. Model Y is not state of the art, neither are the Tesla Superchargers. Even the Tesla chargers derate quickly in warm temperatures when you charge a vehicle that can take in 500A for 10-15 minutes. Their 250kw chargers actually are only about 120kw continuous.

 

[NY_Cade69]

We all should have emmigrated to the EU back when we had the chance, and before Brexit!

 

[Billyk24]

And the new Chevy Bolt (not high performance) actually charges to 80% faster than the MME or the Model Y. Model Y is not state of the art, neither are the Tesla Superchargers. Even the Tesla chargers derate quickly in warm temperatures when you charge a vehicle that can take in 500A for 10-15 minutes. Their 250kw chargers actually are only about 120kw continuous.

interesting to see the Bolt at 1.38 C while the 2026 Tesla Y Juniper at 1.31 C value. The big question is the exact size of the Juniper battery pack. I have European values at 85 kWh while the USA is 82?

 

[buzznwood]

Your right. What I am concerned about is the assertion that 400v cannot be a high performance vehicle. And Second, that charging speed on the MME is out of date and that 150kW is miserable for a high performance vehicle's charging speed.

Do you want sustained high performance or ok with a quick one and done? As efficiency is key for sustained high performance and by sticking to 400v you are needlessly decreasing efficiency while increasing resistive losses and heat.

When it comes to a high performance EV a 400v system is equivalent to the pushed rods of the ICE world, sure you can can get decent good power at a cheaper cost, but it has a much lower ceiling that going above requires additional cost that does not make financial sense.

400v is not going anywhere and will be is fine where high performance isn't a target but 800v+ is no longer limited to a few niche models, any future vehicle that is targeting high performance and sticking with 400v is really just a waste of time at this point, unless of course everyone likes jail bars on power meters to carry on being a mach-e thing.

 

[NY_Cade69]

I think 800v and hyper charging is going to be very niche in the US for the forseeable future.
Only those Auto mfrs with an extremely high European and Asian market position are going to take that financial plunge. GM already had an 800v system in the works so they are not in the position that Ford is. Stellantis is also in a much better position as they are much stronger in the EU than Ford.
Any EV that relies on a US supply chain is not going to push much further than already done in the forseeable future.

Ford will take the wait and see stance on EVs and float along with the 400v architecture, while positioning themselves in US fixed location power systems.

In the US, "we are all terminal cases."

 

[Mark813]

Ford is highly experienced in conceding complete market segments to its competitors. It probably has the narrowest product offering of the legacy domestics.

Chrysler has done a pretty good job of conceding markets by having a minivan and not much else. Dodge has had the Challenger and Charger running the same basic body style since 2008-ish. Of course they are step children in the Stellantis foster home.

I would think Ford could keep the Mach-e running at least another five years. Stripe packages went a long way for the Challenger.

 

[NY_Cade69]

Chrysler has done a pretty good job of conceding markets by having a minivan and not much else. Dodge has had the Challenger and Charger running the same basic body style since 2008-ish. Of course they are step children in the Stellantis foster home.

Chrysler looks like they are going to use the brand for a stable of new STLA One (or SmartCar) based SUVs for the US market, Airflow, Arrow, and Arrow Cross. Their ROW counterparts will be available in a range of propulsion options including 800V BEV in the EU
Too bad the Airflow won't look like the concept car (looking more like a Cadillac copy), but the Arrow Cross has that euro sportback look as in the gold Fiat below.

These are coming in around the same time as the Ford PU, and should Stellantis decide to offer the BEV here in the US, it could steal a lot of EV sales from both GM and Ford.

 

[dan_meh]

These are coming in around the same time as the Ford PU, and should Stellantis decide to offer the BEV here in the US, it could steal a lot of EV sales from both GM and Ford.

Will Chrysler’s current EVs migrate to the new architecture? Any Stellantis EVs, sold in the US migrating to the new platform? Recon? Or did they just put a gasoline engine into it?

I have complaints about Ford’s first real try at EVs. I won’t get into them because we do such a good job of repeatedly surfacing them in these forum pages.

Unlike Stellantis (in the US), however, Ford has a BEV car on sale currently. I walked into a dealer and bought one Mach-e, side of charger. I can drive it. Ford is showing real R&D with test mules out and wink-wink reveals. They’re retooling a plant in Kentucky. This thread (for the first week anyway) was arguing about whether its current EV would migrate to the next platform.

 

[NY_Cade69]

Will Chrysler’s current EVs migrate to the new architecture? Any Stellantis EVs, sold in the US migrating to the new platform? Recon? Or did they just put a gasoline engine into it?

I have complaints about Ford’s first real try at EVs. I won’t get into them because we do such a good job of repeatedly surfacing them in these forum pages.

Unlike Stellantis (in the US), however, Ford has a BEV car on sale currently. I walked into a dealer and bought one Mach-e, side of charger. I can drive it. Ford is showing real R&D with test mules out and wink-wink reveals. They’re retooling a plant in Kentucky. This thread (for the first week anyway) was arguing about whether its current EV would migrate to the next platform.

This thread (for the first week anyway) was arguing about whether its current EV would migrate to the next platform.

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Dang! Answer I'd give is NO.

As for the rest...

I did a direct reply to another post in this thread, but I do get your sincere attempt at sarcasm.
If you hate thread creep, perhaps you should ask @ Administrator to lock all of them.

When I said Chrysler, I was referring to the nameplate, not the full CDJR lineup.
The real purpose of my post was to subtly jab at Ford as they are running the risk of losing any impetus they have gained in the EV world, since they are down to a 6 year old SUV, a cancelled pickup, and a 'wink-wink revealed' entry level pickup, at a yet to be completed Louisville Assembly conversion.

The Jeep Recon just came out, on the STLA Large platform, not the same class as the new stuff...
I want Jeep, Dodge, and Chrysler to stick around and not become another Plymouth, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Mercury, or Edsel. Just as I want the US to survive post 47 and not become another failed Drumpft reich.

I can walk in and buy one today, just might be a few weeks for delivery. (see this thread for how Mach-E orders are doing... https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/list-of-2026-orders-and-times.51816/)

I came from a 2019 Jeep, possibly would have bought a new Cherokee had they been out in March. The new KM (still) has active parking, front and rear camera washers, hands-free liftgate, and an amazing adaptive cruise control (that does full stop resume without a subscription) plus a tow package, hmmm.

Instead, I bought an 11 month old Mach-E with 6000 miles on the ODO for $25,000 off sticker, which I am quite happy with.
My only complaints with it are the decontenting, and the anti-owner gateway module on 2025+.
(fwiw, the 2019 Jeep had a security gateway as well, but there were aftermarket bypasses, hopefully they will jailbreak Ford's as well)

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