MY22 Changes?

[mattbostonmache]

My wishlist (I put my order in a couple weeks ago, so looking at a Jan/Feb delivery at the earliest and hoping it'll be a 2022):

• 800V charging (I'm dreaming, but it would be great to compete with Ioniq5/EV6)
• heat pump
• matrix headlights (even if they're disabled until US regs change)
• instrument cluster display uses higher quality backlight that doesn't buzz
• subtler chirp sounds for alerts (not the horn; use the external speaker) -- lock, leave car running, failed lock, etc
• charging rate indicator
• realtime power used/regen display
• more responsive display
• PaaK that works
• CarPlay that's reliable
• A better App for iPhone/Android (or even a new app for EVs only) — set temperature; have more frequently updated car status (battery charge, internal temp, etc), the ability to see lock status and window up/down status
• Vehicle to load or vehicle to house (what'd they call it on the Lightning?)

Oh, and bring back infinite blue please.

cc: @Ford Motor Company

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[Mickey the T]

So I know it's off track, but since there were a bunch of posts on this. Is it put the car in park and then apply the parking brake. Or vice versa?

I have a steep driveway, which is why I'm asking. Also, I have yet to determine when the parking brake comes on automatically...

 

[BMT1071]

So I know it's off track, but since there were a bunch of posts on this. Is it put the car in park and then apply the parking brake. Or vice versa?

I have a steep driveway, which is why I'm asking. Also, I have yet to determine when the parking brake comes on automatically...

Before or after shifting to park doesn't really matter. The main thing is to apply the park brake prior to releasing the service brakes.
If you figure out the criteria for automatic application let us know. ?

 

[BMT1071]

So I know it's off track, but since there were a bunch of posts on this. Is it put the car in park and then apply the parking brake. Or vice versa?

I have a steep driveway, which is why I'm asking. Also, I have yet to determine when the parking brake comes on automatically...

Found this on page 172 of the manual.

 

[SnBGC]

Well I stand corrected. I assumed that a permanent magnet motor (by virtue of the fact that they are permanent magnets) could not be turned without power.

Well, in any case, if Tesla does use the friction brakes (assuming no fsd, of course ?) then Ford needs to take a page out of their book. Slow speed starts and stops are indeed very much smoother with one pedal driving on a Tesla.

As far as parking brakes go... I personally am gunshy about them from previous vehicles. I've had problems with warped rotors that came from me engaging the parking brake with hot brakes... Granted. That was a poorly built vehicle from years ago, but my subconscious won't let it go ?

Yeah. I get confused myself. I believe the rear motor is PM but the front is some other type. Not sure how the car can avoid regeneration in Whisper but it does roll and roll and roll for a very long time. Sometimes it feels like I could roll the 22 miles to the office since it is mainly downhill. The turning rotor must excite the windings but perhaps the car can regulate the field to avoid negative torque.

The rotor does park in between poles but can still be rotated. The weight of the car is easily enough force to overcome the magnetic park IMO.

From what I hear, Tesla EV drive train technology is industry leading in many respects. They do a pretty good job with motor design so it can pull down to a lower RPM than most others can before the energy tipping point.

Instead of saying the motor can't hold the car stationary isn't correct. I should have said it isn't a practical solution. I think I heard that Tesla experimented with the idea but I don't remember the source. I even heard that some models would drag the brakes at speed to condition the rotors. Not sure if that is fact or rumor.

Yes, the MME isn't the best with the friction brakes in that last 5-6 inches. Seems more noticeable after it has rained or the humidity level is high. ??

 

[skiingj]

Paak and all the other software glitches to carryover as they've been so popular.

 

[iankellogg]

• 800V charging (I'm dreaming, but it would be great to compete with Ioniq5/EV6)
• heat pump
• matrix headlights (even if they're disabled until US regs change)
• instrument cluster display uses higher quality backlight that doesn't buzz
• subtler chirp sounds for alerts (not the horn; use the external speaker) -- lock, leave car running, failed lock, etc
• charging rate indicator
• realtime power used/regen display
• more responsive display
• PaaK that works

Yes, all of these. I know the 800V isn't going to happen since you need an onboard DC-DC 400V->800V system OR some way to switch the battery arrangement to be able to deal with the older 400V only systems. I would settle for a better charging profile that makes sense unlike what they have now.
The rest is just programming changes, and MUST be done IMO.

Yeah. I get confused myself. I believe the rear motor is PM but the front is some other type. Not sure how the car can avoid regeneration in Whisper but it does roll and roll and roll for a very long time. Sometimes it feels like I could roll the 22 miles to the office since it is mainly downhill. The turning rotor must excite the windings but perhaps the car can regulate the field to avoid negative torque.

all (well built) PMS motors will coast with no resistance. just because the magnets are spinning doesn't mean its generating useful electricity. The controller has to put a load onto the motor for it to have resistance.

As for slowing down the motor with regen, there is a point where the amount of power that can be pulled out of the motor is just too small to slow the car down, that's when they switch to friction brakes. It is possible to continue to slow the car down by basically applying torque in the opposite direction, this is not how regen works.

 

[jennq]

Put the handbrake on first.

Never understand why so many people let a tiny pin hold the weight of their car when there's a entire secondary braking system designed to hold it for that purpose.

Where's the handbrake? I don't even think I have one in any of our Teslas

 

[ARK]

Put the handbrake on first.

Never understand why so many people let a tiny pin hold the weight of their car when there's a entire secondary braking system designed to hold it for that purpose.

I personally never liked using the handbrake because I found that the handbrake on most cars would cause the car to emit some pretty loud metal on metal/friction noises when climbing in or getting out, when the handbrake was being taxed, i.e. on a slope.

 

[cargo]

My wishlist (I put my order in a couple weeks ago, so looking at a Jan/Feb delivery at the earliest and hoping it'll be a 2022):

• 800V charging (I'm dreaming, but it would be great to compete with Ioniq5/EV6)
• heat pump
• matrix headlights (even if they're disabled until US regs change)
• instrument cluster display uses higher quality backlight that doesn't buzz
• subtler chirp sounds for alerts (not the horn; use the external speaker) -- lock, leave car running, failed lock, etc
• charging rate indicator
• realtime power used/regen display
• more responsive display
• PaaK that works
• CarPlay that's reliable
• A better App for iPhone/Android (or even a new app for EVs only) — set temperature; have more frequently updated car status (battery charge, internal temp, etc), the ability to see lock status and window up/down status
• Vehicle to load or vehicle to house (what'd they call it on the Lightning?)

Oh, and bring back infinite blue please.

cc: @Ford Motor Company

You might as well cancel, and wait til 2022 orders open up next month

 

[2FlyMache]

I'd also take the charge being able to maintain 150 kw/hr charge longer before downshifting to 100. Car would charge even faster.

 

[pt19713]

Yeah. I get confused myself. I believe the rear motor is PM but the front is some other type. Not sure how the car can avoid regeneration in Whisper but it does roll and roll and roll for a very long time. Sometimes it feels like I could roll the 22 miles to the office since it is mainly downhill. The turning rotor must excite the windings but perhaps the car can regulate the field to avoid negative torque.

This site lists the Mach-E as having a permanent magnetic motor both front and rear: https://electricrevs.com/2019/11/18/mustang-mach-e-powertrain-up-close-and-personal/

 

[pt19713]

Where's the handbrake? I don't even think I have one in any of our Teslas

On the 3/Y, the parking brake automatically engages when you go into Park.
If you hold the Park button in for a few moments, the red "P" icon displays on the screen but this is an oddity since it's already engaged. The parking brake can also be used in emergency situations if all brakes fail, both the motors and the physical brakes.

 

[jennq]

On the 3/Y, the parking brake automatically engages when you go into Park.
If you hold the Park button in for a few moments, the red "P" icon displays on the screen but this is an oddity since it's already engaged. The parking brake can also be used in emergency situations if all brakes fail, both the motors and the physical brakes.

What I meant to say. I don't have to think about it

 

[Hplbiking]

I have it on great authority that the following will be offered in 2022:

PBAAK - instead of phone as a key, phone BOOK as a key will allow the user to call their Ford dealership when they want to drive the car and their spouse took the key.

Enhanced Phone Battery Draining - FordPass will be enhanced to drain your phone's battery even faster.

More to come...

You also have a code to get in and a password to drive away. Stop blaming the spouse!

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