NACS moving forward.

[Billyk24]

This link: Supercharger SuperGuide – TeslaTap posted:

In March 2023, Tesla introduced the V4 Supercharger in Europe. These have the potential to supply up to 1000V and up to 615A.

In November 2023, the first North American V4 Supercharger pedestals were installed in Wilsonville Oregon and Sparks Nevada.

The first installations use the V3 cabinets that provide up to 500V and 250 kW to each pedestal. The pedestals appear to be able to handle 1000V and 350 kW, once V4 backend cabinets are installed instead of the V3 cabinets currently used.

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[AZBill]

Why doesn't every fast charging vendor use liquid cooled cables?

All chargers at or above 150 kw use liquid cooling.

FYI, it has been reported that Cyber truck is overheating the cables, since it holds high current longer than the other Tesla models.

 

[TheSteelRider]

That article was 2 years ago. Note the release date was supposed to be for 2023. Also note:

"During the presentation, Tesla confirmed that the new 1+ MW charging system is coming to the upcoming Tesla Cybertruck. "


It's not clear what's meant by this, but the CT definitely doesn't have the interface currently used by the semi - and Tesla hasn't said anything about 1 MW peak charging on the CT. Ironically, the CT can barely do 250 KW/h at a Tesla SC, while it can hit 330 KW/h at an EA charger.

I would treat everything in that article as out of date speculation.

I would treat everything Tesla says as out of date speculation.

There, I fixed it for you.

 

[RickMachE]

All chargers at or above 150 kw use liquid cooling.

FYI, it has been reported that Cyber truck is overheating the cables, since it holds high current longer than the other Tesla models.

I have no Tesla expertise, but charged next to a Cybertruck in Willison, VT and he didn't say anything about any issues.

 

[AZBill]

I have no Tesla expertise, but charged next to a Cybertruck in Willison, VT and he didn't say anything about any issues.

Kyle Conner saw the issue when he did his cross country trip. Had to wrap a wet towel around the connector. The average person would likely not notice the power drop.

 

[SlicerOnSteam]

They don't need to. CCS2 was designed to handle 1000V- you can drive the same power at lower amps, meaning less heat.

This is just opinion, but CCS sucks - there, I said it! The cables are too big and heavy, way too short, and the connector itself is gargantuan and heavy almost always putting extra pressure on the ports back towards the charging stall. I was always afraid it was going to snap right off on Mach-E and I want to avoid a CCS adapter on a Tesla like the plague.

Mach-E has one of the most unfortunate CCS issues - having that beautiful manual push to open charging door with the ports lit by a nice LED, only to have it all ruined by the extra little flap on the DC pins. Can than just be removed completely? It's fun to debate small charging aesthetics whilst Ford has the HVJB, regen, cruise, camera, sensor, and touchscreen systems all falling apart.

The CCS problem is compounded by a lot of weird protective posts around a lot of public chargers. Superchargers have relatively short cables but with well organized and simple parking. Also it is so nice to use the same small connector to supercharge as you use at home.

The full CCS connector looks like something you'd use to charge your X-Wing.

 

[valfam]

I have a question I'm sure someone here can answer it. Ok I get. Having the option to use the tesla network is great but we have so many charging options installed already using the ccs port. Why would Ford and others change the port on the cars to nacs when using the adapter works fine? Are all the other charging network going to change the cables to nacs what about all the cars with ccs ports I'm guessing they will have to use adapters. Is it a royalties thing with everyone having to pay tesla to use the chargers and have the port on the vehicles.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

I have a question I'm sure someone here can answer it. Ok I get. Having the option to use the tesla network is great but we have so many charging options installed already using the ccs port. Why would Ford and others change the port on the cars to nacs when using the adapter works fine? Are all the other charging network going to change the cables to nacs what about all the cars with ccs ports I'm guessing they will have to use adapters. Is it a royalties thing with everyone having to pay tesla to use the chargers and have the port on the vehicles.

Tesla's SuperCharger network has been far more reliable than Electrify America or other CCS networks. There are also adapters for Tesla (NACS) vehicles which allow them to use CCS. Pick your poison.

 

[silverelan]

I have a question I'm sure someone here can answer it. Ok I get. Having the option to use the tesla network is great but we have so many charging options installed already using the ccs port. Why would Ford and others change the port on the cars to nacs when using the adapter works fine? Are all the other charging network going to change the cables to nacs what about all the cars with ccs ports I'm guessing they will have to use adapters. Is it a royalties thing with everyone having to pay tesla to use the chargers and have the port on the vehicles.

The NACS plug itself is far more user friendly than CCS1 and NACS can be used for both AC and DC charging. CCS1 plugs are almost always a two-handed affair because of how bulky they are but NACS plugs are easy to manipulate with one hand.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Why doesn't every fast charging vendor use liquid cooled cables?

$$$$

 

[valfam]

The NACS plug itself is far more user friendly than CCS1 and NACS can be used for both AC and DC charging. CCS1 plugs are almost always a two-handed affair because of how bulky they are but NACS plugs are easy to manipulate with one hand.

that makes sense thanks.

 

[Dear_OP]

Tesla began building their Supercharger network in 2012.

Electrify America was created in Jan 2017, and rolled out their first location in May 2018. So Tesla had 6+ years leadtime.

What it means is Electrify America and others have 6+ years to learn from.

 

[RickMachE]

What it means is Electrify America and others have 6+ years to learn from.

Not really. Tesla was vertically integrated. EA couldn't do that. EA had a "get the first charger installed" tight timeframe and a mandate that they had to hit. Not close to the same.

 

[valfam]

Tesla's SuperCharger network has been far more reliable than Electrify America or other CCS networks. There are also adapters for Tesla (NACS) vehicles which allow them to use CCS. Pick your poison.

Yeah I read about that, I have only taken my mme on one small road trip and the electrify American worked great for me on the trip. To me I think the whole shift is kind of crazy the cost to switching the cars redesigning parts when as you said they have adapters available already I think it's there is more to it.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

I think it's there is more to it.

There is. Electrify America has been unreliable. Poor reliability, unable to deliver power at advertised rates, limited facilities at high demand locations.

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