New Mach-E Redesign in 2027

[Stevey]

I think the timing is interesting. Several companies (QuantumScape, Solid Power, BYD, etc) plan to have production ready solid state batteries in 2025, and several are already in beta testing with car companies. Maybe Ford know something we don't and plans to release a second gen with solid state with ranges of 600+ and changing time of <15 minutes. I think that is what it will take for EVs to move into direct non-subsidized competition. Regardless, it is an interesting time in the auto industry.

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[Snakebitten]

Solid State EV batteries in production in 2025?

I admit that I can sometimes be an ostrich with its head in the sand. But news like that would penetrate lead.

I gotta come up for air more often.

 

[Jeff-NoVA]

Solid State EV batteries in production in 2025?

I admit that I can sometimes be an ostrich with its head in the sand. But news like that wouldn't penetrate lead.

I gotta come up for air more often.

I doubt we see a commercially viable SSB until 2030ish. There is a lot of money going into development and it's likely to be the tech that "tips" EVs into dominance. But until then, there are still gains in energy density to be made in existing battery tech, not to mention more efficient motors, etc. It's going to be a fun thing to watch in the next decade.

 

[HuntingPudel]

Solid State EV batteries in production in 2025?

I admit that I can sometimes be an ostrich with its head in the sand. But news like that wouldn't penetrate lead.

I gotta come up for air more often.

LOL I agree. Solid State batteries have been “2-5 years out” for well over a decade. As Yogi Berra said: “I’ll b’lieve it when I b’lieve it.” ??

 

[Dear_OP]

I like keeping the MME in a CUV format. Wish it has the robust storage capabilities of the Model Y.
It might well be since Ford hired a few ex-Tesla employees a few months ago. Perhaps they are part of the skunkworks team.

MME certainly could stand to have some weight loss. Performance increase will come naturally.

 

[voxel]

Yes, M3P is faster. But it’s not an SUV either. And the .96 skidpad is the same as your GTPE fwiw.

No, neither will be a C8 Corvette though. That thing matches super car stats…..today.

Oh I know about the C8. My friend let me test drive his and I want one and spent two weeks looking but will order a 2025 when banks open up

As for skidpad... the old M3P has crap tires (235) and couch-like seats. The new M3P has 275 rear in a staggered setup. The acceleration is no joke either... quicker than my former 7000lb Rivian and GTPE.

My GTPE is about as porky as an EQS on the track. I got to ride-along in a Taycan, Audi e-tron GT, and EQS and was surprised how the EQS felt like my old GTPE and the other two were heavy but still nimble.

It outhandles and outbrakes almost every SUV on the planet. And with 3.3 to 60 and 11.8 in the 1/4 mile, it’s one of the fastest ones too.

A chunky 7000lb Rivian best those numbers - I know because I've done about 4-5 track times and consistently hit 11.8 and those numbers are only for the newer Mach-E GTs as the older ones are slower and have a 5 second limiter.

 

[johnmark]

LOL I agree. Solid State batteries have been “2-5 years out” for well over a decade. As Yogi Berra said: “I’ll b’lieve it when I b’lieve it.” ??

lol ok but when in the past did we see actual production of SSBs like we do now? There aren't enough to get the economies of scale that will drive the price, but the technology is there *today* in production. It's no longer "whenever we get the tech right" it's just engineering and manufacturing economics. Scaling up manufacturing is hard, but the core tech is there today.

 

[HuntingPudel]

lol ok but when in the past did we see actual production of SSBs like we do now? There aren't enough to get the economies of scale that will drive the price, but the technology is there *today* in production. It's no longer "whenever we get the tech right" it's just engineering and manufacturing economics. Scaling up manufacturing is hard, but the core tech is there today.

Prototype runs like we are seeing now have been hit or miss for years. There are still hurdles to manufacturability in the current crop of recipes. They will get there, but I don’t see real production for several years, probably closer to a decade. ??

 

[johnmark]

Prototype runs like we are seeing now have been hit or miss for years. There are still hurdles to manufacturability in the current crop of recipes. They will get there, but I don’t see real production for several years, probably closer to a decade. ??

Wow way to rain on the parade

 

[hybrid2bev]

I think the timing is interesting. Several companies (QuantumScape, Solid Power, BYD, etc) plan to have production ready solid state batteries in 2025, and several are already in beta testing with car companies. Maybe Ford know something we don't and plans to release a second gen with solid state with ranges of 600+ and changing time of <15 minutes. I think that is what it will take for EVs to move into direct non-subsidized competition. Regardless, it is an interesting time in the auto industry.

I’d bet more on 250-300 miles of range and have the car be cheaper and lighter than on having 600 miles of range.

If the NEVI charger rollout and/or the Tesla Supercharger network expansion keeps going I think there won’t be a need for more than 300 miles of range for most people by 2027.

 

[voxel]

I think the timing is interesting. Several companies (QuantumScape, Solid Power, BYD, etc) plan to have production ready solid state batteries in 2025, and several are already in beta testing with car companies. Maybe Ford know something we don't and plans to release a second gen with solid state with ranges of 600+ and changing time of <15 minutes. I think that is what it will take for EVs to move into direct non-subsidized competition. Regardless, it is an interesting time in the auto industry.

SSB for mainstream is 10-20 years away. The first implementation will be in halo cars like a C8 hybrid or Porsch hybrid. The cost is high and yields are low. It took ages for battery makers to get high yields on every new chemistry or form factor.

 

[cheerioboy26]

If the NEVI charger rollout and/or the Tesla Supercharger network expansion keeps going I think there won’t be a need for more than 300 miles of range for most people by 2027.

Agreed, but convincing non-EV owners of that will be a challenge.

 

[Mach1E]

Oh I know about the C8. My friend let me test drive his and I want one and spent two weeks looking but will order a 2025 when banks open up

As for skidpad... the old M3P has crap tires (235) and couch-like seats. The new M3P has 275 rear in a staggered setup. The acceleration is no joke either... quicker than my former 7000lb Rivian and GTPE.

My GTPE is about as porky as an EQS on the track. I got to ride-along in a Taycan, Audi e-tron GT, and EQS and was surprised how the EQS felt like my old GTPE and the other two were heavy but still nimble.



A chunky 7000lb Rivian best those numbers - I know because I've done about 4-5 track times and consistently hit 11.8 and those numbers are only for the newer Mach-E GTs as the older ones are slower and have a 5 second limiter.

Keep in mind the measuring stick you are using-

Very fast electric cars and an 835 hp SUV.

We are in good company to even be compared.

Speaking of the C8, I would love to see this race redone with a 2024 GT-


Yes, our older GTPE’s are only good to about 75 mph, but our handling and braking is worth talking about….. when comparing to SUVs.

Hell, in 2021 when it came out only the Lamborghini Urus handled and braked better in the SUV category!

It’s no nimble Miata, but it does well for a porker. ?

 

[SalsabyJake]

In case you don’t like clicking links to see the story. Here’s the important part.

Ford Mustang Mach-E Redesign On Track For 2027 Debut: Report

This report comes to us from Automotive News, which notes that the Ford Mustang Mach-E is now slated to undergo a comprehensive makeover in 2027 – one that includes not only a redesign in terms of exterior styling and features, but also, the addition of a new platform as well. The same report claims that the Mach-E lineup will continue to expand to include new “derivatives and special editions,” though it will continue to be built at the Cuautitlan Assembly plant in Mexico.

Beware the new everything model! I bought a "all new, built from the ground up" Escape in 2017 and it had a lot of issues! Yes, one data point, but I avoid new model years in general. (like Beta software)

 

[hybrid2bev]

Beware the new everything model! I bought a "all new, built from the ground up" Escape in 2017 and it had a lot of issues! Yes, one data point, but I avoid new model years in general. (like Beta software)

Ut oh. I ordered a 2021 job 1 (December of 2020 build) Mustang Mach-E. ?

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