Ok - my GTPE replacement

[Norcolboulder]

May arrive in 2026 the new Lyric V - luxury and fast. It may be time to look at the bow tie option then - your next car will me post Mach-e ?

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[HuntingPudel]

I traded in my 2021 MME GT-PE on a 2024 MME GT.

 

[phil]

your next car will me post Mach-e ?

All your base are belong to us.

 

[moog]

Something with 800 Volt architecture.
No reason for the next EV to be old 400V architecture.

For sure not something from GM.
No Carplay No AndroidAuto No want!

 

[Mach1E]

No reason for the next EV to be old 400V architecture.

Torque is a reason. If you like the insane low end torque you’ve gotten used to in our cars, you might miss some of that feeling in an 800v setup.

To answer the OP, I haven’t found anything I’m tempted by yet. Closest would be the Porsche Macan EV. But the one I would want is basically double a new Mach E GT in price (and 4X what my car is worth used) and I just can’t justify the difference.

Everything else I might consider seems to be a compromise, especially in the looks category.

There are dozens of EVs out there that perform well……. Why are almost all of them ugly??

 

[Ford_orr]

All your base are belong to us.

I haven't heard that reference in at least a decade. You win the internet today sir.

 

[Jimrpa]

May arrive in 2026 the new Lyric V - luxury and fast. It may be time to look at the bow tie option then - your next car will me post Mach-e ?

No funk, no CarPlay, no way. The bow tie doesn’t exist to me.

 

[Norcolboulder]

After Audis and recent AMG our first EV - the GTPE is awesome . and yes on Apple car play and the expense of a new Lyric-V .

But I would like more luxury -and 800 v So perhaps a used lyric-v will replace the GTPE at 100,000 miles …at least I finally have a car I can look at as a successor..
Porsche Macan is a great choice but maintenance is a real issue on used German cars -

 

[grein002]

Torque is a reason. If you like the insane low end torque you’ve gotten used to in our cars, you might miss some of that feeling in an 800v setup.

To answer the OP, I haven’t found anything I’m tempted by yet. Closest would be the Porsche Macan EV. But the one I would want is basically double a new Mach E GT in price (and 4X what my car is worth used) and I just can’t justify the difference.

Everything else I might consider seems to be a compromise, especially in the looks category.

There are dozens of EVs out there that perform well……. Why are almost all of them ugly??

Torque is not directly dependent on voltage, and certainly isn't inversely proportional to it. No reason an 800V architecture can't have high low-end torque. Lucid Air Sapphire, to name just one - 0-60 in around 1.89 seconds. Pretty sure there is some serious low-end torque going on there, in an 800V architecture. Or the Grand Touring version with 3.0 0-60.

 

[Mach1E]

Torque is not directly dependent on voltage, and certainly isn't inversely proportional to it. No reason an 800V architecture can't have high low-end torque. Lucid Air Sapphire, to name just one - 0-60 in around 1.89 seconds. Pretty sure there is some serious low-end torque going on there, in an 800V architecture. Or the Grand Touring version with 3.0 0-60.

Actually it is related based on a specific horsepower number.

A 400v system will use a larger motor with more torque to get to 480 hp than a 800v system.

Just look at the peak torque numbers for the 800v cars out there compared to ours.

Or check out this graph:

Courtesy of @Mach-Lee on this thread- https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/new-hyundai-ioniq-5n-more-hp-but-less-torque.29297/

If that Lucid used a 400v system to get 1200 hp….. it would need significantly larger motors with significantly more torque.

 

[Chrisbriding]

Actually it is related based on a specific horsepower number.

Not my area of expertise, however I suspect that not unlike the correlation between ICE engine size/volume and horsepower, it is one factor and not the only one. Design specifics and improvements being large contributors as well.

ETA: on the topic of other EVs, the hubs put in an order for a Slate to be his daily driver. Don't ask me why It kind of hurts my eyes!

 

[grein002]

I was only pointing out that high voltage architecture EVs can have very high low-end torque, and we have examples that would make the Mach-E GTPE feel slow in comparison.

 

[jdsimard2012]

I went from a 1st generation Premium to a GTPE and then to 2024 GT.

 

[amaranth]

May arrive in 2026 the new Lyric V - luxury and fast. It may be time to look at the bow tie option then - your next car will me post Mach-e ?

Just had to lemon my 2024 EQ EV (my replacement is the 2025 MME GT) . For what it's worth, the Lyriq V is the Blazer SS with some caddy lux slapped on, it runs on the exact same architecture. GM just hasn't figured it out yet. Between the HVB issues on the prologue and ZDX (both blazer evs with a honda/acura badge essentially), my eqev image processing replacement and charge door assembly replacement (which took 6 weeks because they cannot get the part in), I cannot recommend any GM or GM based ev until they fix their supply chain issues and work out the 1st gen weird issues.

 

[Mach1E]

Not my area of expertise, however I suspect that not unlike the correlation between ICE engine size/volume and horsepower, it is one factor and not the only one. Design specifics and improvements being large contributors as well.

ETA: on the topic of other EVs, the hubs put in an order for a Slate to be his daily driver. Don't ask me why It kind of hurts my eyes!

Yes, it would be very similar to how larger displacement ICE engines make more peak torque.

However, the biggest difference in the end result is that ICE vehicles can make up for a lack of low end torque with gearing.

We (almost always) have a 1 speed transmission. So a loss of peak torque down low just means an electric car will be slower at lower speeds.

Our 700 lb ft of torque is how we can keep up with higher horsepower EVs to 60 mph, despite having a worse hp to weight ratio.

Either way, I would much rather drive an EV with 700 lb ft of tq and and 480 hp than an 800v one that would likely be more like 480 hp and 400 tq from a performance perspective.

800v has other advantages (like smaller more efficient motors and faster charging).

Just pointing out that typically lower torque is side effect. The other negative can be cost.

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