Pleasant range surprise

[Tampamike]

That’s not your actual range….that’s a number on the instrument display.

And your point is … ?

His actual range might be greater.

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[Maquis]

And your point is … ?

His actual range might be greater.

Point is…the GOM is a guess. Yep, it could be higher.

 

[Tampamike]

Point is…the GOM is a guess. Yep, it could be higher.

But you discount it as if the car just pulled it out of it’s ass. It’s not a guess, it’s a useful estimate of the car’s actual range based on available data including the current battery charge level and the latest driving history. I reference it all the time And I’ve found it to be fairly accurate when I need it most - highway road trips. Granted, past performance is not a guarantee of future returns, but without drastically changing driving conditions, the estimate is pretty good.

 

[generaltso]

Theoretically, there could one day be a software update for the 2021’s because both model years have the same battery pack but the 2022 has a couple extra kWh depending on the trim. Ford sort of hinted at it possibly being an update to the 2021’s at some point but it’s just speculation right now.

That's already happened.

 

[Maquis]

But you discount it as if the car just pulled it out of it’s ass. It’s not a guess, it’s a useful estimate of the car’s actual range based on available data including the current battery charge level and the latest driving history. I reference it all the time And I’ve found it to be fairly accurate when I need it most - highway road trips. Granted, past performance is not a guarantee of future returns, but without drastically changing driving conditions, the estimate is pretty good.

OK

I just like to de-emphasize the obsession with the GOM Because it seems to cause a lot of unnecessary angst.

 

[RickMachE]

Is their an update that will improve range? I got my Premium 2 weeks ago and I am on software version 3.5.2

No.

And you are not "on software version 3.5.2".

The last OTA software update you got was 3.5.2. Since you just bought the car 2 weeks ago, you have no idea what updates it was manufactured with. And, you can only see the last update you got OTA. Sometimes they aren't in sequence. And dealer-applied updates, if any, aren't visible.

 

[RickMachE]

Why doubt the range. Many of us are getting range greater than advertised. Driving in town, moderate temps, with limited hwy driving will result in greater range. Our Premium SR is getting 220 mi at 80%, 276 at 100%, true driving range. Usually getting over 4.5 mi per KW. Much better than the 230mi as advertised. Remember the Driving Cycle done by EPA, averages around 48.4 mph hwy, and 21.2 mph city.

While quoting the driving cycle might be interesting, you forget that it takes into account a certain percentage of highway driving and city driving. Clearly you're driving more city than the EPA test does, and therefore you are achieving more range. To say "many of us are getting range greater than advertised" is totally inaccurate, you're getting greater range than advertised because you're driving differently than what is used to calculate the numbers.

If you drove at 20mph all day, would you then claim that the resulting range was "greater than advertised"?

 

[Nygman]

I see the UK RWD ER got 399, but doesn't Europe and the UK use different math? If all the same would a US RED ER show the same or less? I see 300+ miles on a UK GTPE only rated for 260 in the US. Just wondering if the calculation that displays on the screen is any different. Also wondering if we're able to change our calculation to the European one with a forescan change.

 

[Vulnox]

But you discount it as if the car just pulled it out of it’s ass. It’s not a guess, it’s a useful estimate of the car’s actual range based on available data including the current battery charge level and the latest driving history. I reference it all the time And I’ve found it to be fairly accurate when I need it most - highway road trips. Granted, past performance is not a guarantee of future returns, but without drastically changing driving conditions, the estimate is pretty good.

What do you mean you find it to be fairly accurate? You run down past 0 until the battery fully dies on road trips? Or because you drive it until it says 50 miles to dead and go, "Yeah, it feels like it has about 50 miles left in it".

It's a useless number. Sure, if you do drive the same route in the same temps with the same traffic, somehow, every single day, it may be a reasonable estimate, like +/- 5%. But almost nobody lives in that world. It was a high of 40 where I live and sunny just a week ago. Yesterday it rained all day with a high of 60. Today is sunny with a high of 60. Without me changing my route or anything else, the weather alone would significantly impact real world range, regardless what the GOM says.

It's a useless number even if you have a very typical commute and that because variables outside your control matter most.

That doesn't even get into the realities of those that never let their car get below 10% and how bad BMS sway is on those cars. In that case your numbers are never going to be accurate because the BMS has no real clue what the bottom of the pack looks like.

You can say whatever, but the reality is distance to empty calculations on gas or electric vehicles are pointless and never actually reasonably accurate to anyone that needs to rely on them.

 

[RickMachE]

What do you mean you find it to be fairly accurate? You run down past 0 until the battery fully dies on road trips? Or because you drive it until it says 50 miles to dead and go, "Yeah, it feels like it has about 50 miles left in it".

It's a useless number. Sure, if you do drive the same route in the same temps with the same traffic, somehow, every single day, it may be a reasonable estimate, like +/- 5%. But almost nobody lives in that world. It was a high of 40 where I live and sunny just a week ago. Yesterday it rained all day with a high of 60. Today is sunny with a high of 60. Without me changing my route or anything else, the weather alone would significantly impact real world range, regardless what the GOM says.

It's a useless number even if you have a very typical commute and that because variables outside your control matter most.

That doesn't even get into the realities of those that never let their car get below 10% and how bad BMS sway is on those cars. In that case your numbers are never going to be accurate because the BMS has no real clue what the bottom of the pack looks like.

You can say whatever, but the reality is distance to empty calculations on gas or electric vehicles are pointless and never actually reasonably accurate to anyone that needs to rely on them.

Yes, but not for long.

The Mach-E displays range. The F-150 Lightning displays "intelligent range". Why did Ford use that term? Because they're incorporating more variables into the Lightning's range projection than in the Mach-Es. Eventually, that algorithm will be in the Mach-E.

Further, while your range may show XXX when you look at it in FordPass, with intelligent range once you lay in a route in the navigation, it will show a projected range incorporating the route you've put in, which may differ from the range displayed before that route was put in.

So yes, range has been "useless" in the past, but it will change in the future.

One point you made up above is incorrect though. You implied that the Mach-E's range doesn't change based on temp/weather. That's incorrect. If you checked your range when it's 60 out and didn't drive at all, and then checked it when it's 40 out, you'd see a decrease. Or, said another way, charging to 90% at 60 degrees will yield a higher projected range than charging to 90% at 40 degrees.

 

[Vulnox]

Yes, but not for long.

The Mach-E displays range. The F-150 Lightning displays "intelligent range". Why did Ford use that term? Because they're incorporating more variables into the Lightning's range projection than in the Mach-Es. Eventually, that algorithm will be in the Mach-E.

Further, while your range may show XXX when you look at it in FordPass, with intelligent range once you lay in a route in the navigation, it will show a projected range incorporating the route you've put in, which may differ from the range displayed before that route was put in.

So yes, range has been "useless" in the past, but it will change in the future.

One point you made up above is incorrect though. You implied that the Mach-E's range doesn't change based on temp/weather. That's incorrect. If you checked your range when it's 60 out and didn't drive at all, and then checked it when it's 40 out, you'd see a decrease. Or, said another way, charging to 90% at 60 degrees will yield a higher projected range than charging to 90% at 40 degrees.

Yeah that crossed my mind when I was writing it. But I was taking it from the context of everyone taking pictures of their range parked in their garage. Even without a climate controlled garage, the garage is often warmer than outside ambient air and would still to a point "lie" to you, until you start driving and it drops significantly over time.

Our garage is just insulated, but when it's 40 out the garage is usually 55-60 at least.

The intelligent range will be a nice improvement, taking elevation changes and that into account is great. I don't want to be too harsh and say it's an entirely useless figure. But I think it's better to look at it based on a rate of change compared to the norm than any hard figure. If you map out a route and it goes from 320 miles to 260, I would still consider that important information because I should expect a decent percent drop based on the route compared to what I might expect. But I wouldn't count on the car going 260 miles.

 

[RickMachE]

But I was taking it from the context of everyone taking pictures of their range parked in their garage. Even without a climate controlled garage, the garage is often warmer than outside ambient air and would still to a point "lie" to you, until you start driving and it drops significantly over time.

As we all know, the majority of drivers, EV or ICE, have no clue about the range of their vehicles in different weather. They don't know that in a rainstorm you get lower range. Or in cold temps. Tell most people that in the winter the cold, plus winter gas, impacts their mpg and you'll get disbelief and "winter gas, never heard of it".

Of course the majority of vehicle owners can't be bothered to read their manuals, but they have plenty of time to go on social media and post pictures of their GOMs and proclaim how wonderful or awful it is.

 

[Vulnox]

As we all know, the majority of drivers, EV or ICE, have no clue about the range of their vehicles in different weather. They don't know that in a rainstorm you get lower range. Or in cold temps. Tell most people that in the winter the cold, plus winter gas, impacts their mpg and you'll get disbelief and "winter gas, never heard of it".

Of course the majority of vehicle owners can't be bothered to read their manuals, but they have plenty of time to go on social media and post pictures of their GOMs and proclaim how wonderful or awful it is.

Yeah I have mentioned it before and it's an interesting social experiment I guess how much people with EVs care about their range. ICE vehicles have range estimates on them also and they also vary wildly. I suspect it's just down to how much more focused on range people are with EVs, even if their daily drive is only 30 miles round trip, they still can't be convinced to not charge to 100% every night, even if it will actually damage the battery and cause real degradation, because if they don't see that big number each morning the car is useless.

Those same people probably stretched a quarter tank of gas in their former ICE car as long as they could, even though driving with low fuel levels can be damaging to the fuel pump and prematurely clog the fuel filter.

Can't win.

 

[Cm12]

That's already happened.

Wait, so there’s currently an update for our 2021’s that allows us to have the same usable battery as the 2022’s? That’s not the 21P22 update is it?

 

[OrchidMania]

Yep, I get similar results with my California Route 1 . I am very happy with the range.

Me too on my Premium, recently charged to 90% and GOM said 351. Said 387 to 100%
Yes, Rick, I drive mostly local and live in Miami,,,,,,,,,

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