Progress Marches On!

[All Hat No Cattle]

The coming EV batteries will sweep away fossil fuel transport, with or without net zero

What makes this believable, unlike the unfunded pie-in-the sky battery outfits, is that the people developing this are "AAA" rated Labs.

See below. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coming-ev-batteries-sweep-away-140709581.html

The Argonne National Laboratory in the US has essentially cracked the battery technology for electric vehicles, discovering a way to raise the future driving range of standard EVs to a thousand miles or more. It promises to do so cheaply without exhausting the global supply of critical minerals in the process.
The joint project with the Illinois Institute of Technology (IIT) has achieved a radical jump in the energy density of battery cells. The typical lithium-ion battery used in the car industry today stores about 200 watt-hours per kilo (Wh/kg). Their lab experiment has already reached 675 Wh/kg with a lithium-air variant.

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[21st Century Pony]

I've heard of the Argonne Lab project... waiting to see the implementation.

 

[ADDZ71]

I am very involved in the battery industry and I get super frustrated when I see headlines like these. No mention of cost, scalability etc. On the other hand, every automaker and cell supplier is committing billions of dollars to continue lithium ion technology (LFP, NMC, NCA etc.).

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

The problem is that National and university labs are research, (mostly) not implementation. NASA researched and implemented a Copper-Fluorine Lithium battery in the early 1960s...but a commercially available rechargeable lithium battery wasn't available until the 1990s.

This is likely also going to be true of the results from ANL. The basic science is progressing, but the conversion of the science into technology and then the commercialization of the technology requires additional time, research, funds, and etc.

The science is absolutely there. The question is whether this science will be commercialized. The answer is, if someone can figure out how to make a lot of money from it, then yes.

 

[HuntingPudel]

I will believe the 1000 mile battery when it’s in a manufacturable form. There have been “breakthroughs” reported about a number of technologies that have not come to fruition because they work in theory, can be made in a sterile lab environment, but don’t translate into production. I hope they can translate their findings into manufacturing, but I won’t hold my breath. ?‍?

 

[Maquis]

Probably viable on a similar timeline as cold fusion, which has been “5 years away” for the last 25 years.

 

[jeffdawgfan]

It will happen next year, until next year and then it will be the next year. As said above, SS Battteries are right there with fusion power.

 

[All Hat No Cattle]

All very interesting opinions, LOL.

Reminds me of the predictions about a Ford BEV pick-up truck a few years back. Opinions varied from "Never Happen", to "at least 5 years", and then "at least 10 years", and everything in between.

I saved that thread, and a few months later Ford was showing their F-150 BEV towing a freight train. I had saved that thread, and had a lot of fun resurrecting it, LOL.

https://www.f150forum.com/f129/f150-lightning-500770/index2/

I think that I will save this thread.

 

[timbop]

As mentioned: there is more to it than just wh/kg. How many cycles can it do, what's the process to build them at scale, etc etc.

I see software developers whip up a proof of concept quickly - and then management decides to fund a "real product" from it and 3 years later it's still not a fully fleshed product because the assumptions and shortcuts don't hold true.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

As mentioned: there is more to it than just wh/kg. How many cycles can it do, what's the process to build them at scale, etc etc.

I see software developers whip up a proof of concept quickly - and then management decides to fund a "real product" from it and 3 years later it's still not a fully fleshed product because the assumptions and shortcuts don't hold true.

Yes, this. So much this...Proof of concept is not the same as implementation.

 

[shelnian]

Read an article about Lyten lithium sulfur batteries in Sept of 2021 but haven't seen anything in a while. Their website is updated regularly and they're expanding, but no EV makers have committed to using these batteries...
https://lyten.com/products/batteries/

 

[AKgrampy]

Who cares - cold fusion is right around the corner!

 

[All Hat No Cattle]

Those are deserved suspicions, I have not seen a for-profit battery outfit that I would invest in.
Unfortunately, Argonne is not a public company, but it has had tremendous credentials for about 75 years. Here is what they do.

https://www.anl.gov/research-index

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