Sadly Saying Goodbye

[markboris]

Which models have that problem. I charge at 48 amps at home and have never seen it slow down. I've never charged at a hotel but I would assume it would charge as at home.

I don’t think it’s which models and more like individual cars. Both of my ‘21’s (job 1 & 2) and ‘24 charge at their full rate however I had other members back a few years ago charge at my home and only got half of what I did. There is a thread here that documents this and I’ve stated many times along with Shayne and others how random cars have this issue and others don’t.

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[Shayne]

Which models have that problem. I charge at 48 amps at home and have never seen it slow down. I've never charged at a hotel but I would assume it would charge as at home.

The ones with defective hardware and/or L2 sensors. The ones that Ford has turn their backs on.

 

[voxel]

I'm sure future MMEs will get better mileage over time.

Still...

"Real-world tests, such as those by Bjørn Nyland, indicate the Model Y achieves ~296 miles at 70 mph, with efficiency around 3.4-3.6 miles/kWh at highway speeds, significantly better than the Mach-E’s 2.5-2.8 miles/kWh. The Model Y’s more aerodynamic design (lower drag coefficient of ~0.23 vs. Mach-E’s ~0.30) helps it maintain better efficiency at 75 mph, losing less range per mile driven. For a 115-mile trip, the Model Y would likely consume ~33-35 kWh (~110-120 miles of EPA range), compared to your Mach-E’s ~44-46 kWh (~223 miles of range lost)."

The Tesla Model Y mitigates range-depleting variables (highway speed, environmental conditions, driving style, and battery management) better than a 2022 Ford Mustang Mach-E Premium due to:

• Higher efficiency (3.4-3.6 miles/kWh vs. 2.5-2.8 miles/kWh at 75 mph) from better aerodynamics and lighter weight.
• Advanced thermal management with a standard heat pump, reducing energy loss for climate control.
• Optimized powertrain and regenerative braking, minimizing waste during dynamic driving.
• More accurate range estimation and faster charging, enhancing usability.

Front induction motor and aerodynamics (bulbous shape) are the two big ones Teslas are more efficient.

Mach-E is not high tech… dual permanent magnet motors, 400V charging and LG pouch cells (I am surprised these have not been recalled because they have for pretty much every EV lol). The Mach-E GTPE is still the least efficient EV I’ve owned and that includes the CyberTruck and R1S.

Speaking of charging - 400V charging was one major reason I disliked my Gen1 Rivian R1S. It’s was just terrible on road trips with 2.0-2.2 mi/kWh efficiency.

 

[Shayne]

Front induction motor and aerodynamics (bulbous shape) are the two big ones Teslas are more efficient.

Mach-E is not high tech… dual permanent magnet motors, 400V charging and LG pouch cells (I am surprised these have not been recalled because they have for pretty much every EV lol). The Mach-E GTPE is still the least efficient EV I’ve owned and that includes the CyberTruck and R1S.

Speaking of charging - 400V charging was one major reason I disliked my Gen1 Rivian R1S. It’s was just terrible on road trips with 2.0-2.2 mi/kWh efficiency.

Sounds likes another tesla commercial. Next one I buy will be from grown ups again. Just goes to show the old joke that you do not need to be the brain to be the boss. I found the arrogance filters right down through the company right to sales anyway.

Was starting to see a few tesla's up here which I thought great but that could slow down now. Big gas crapped that out and played Musk for a chump. I have nothing against Tesla's think they are cool just not for me.

 

[ryannix123]

Sounds likes another tesla commercial. Next one I buy will be from grown ups again. Just goes to show the old joke that you do not need to be the brain to be the boss. I found the arrogance filters right down through the company right to sales anyway.

Was starting to see a few tesla's up here which I thought great but that could slow down now. Big gas crapped that out and played Musk for a chump. I have nothing against Tesla's think they are cool just not for me.

Musk has a lot of brains and drive. Paypal, Tesla, Starlink, SpaceX, Optimus, Neuralink, etc.

However, as Teddy Roosevelt said, "To educate a person in the mind and not in morals is to create a menace to society." While Musk isn't at all a menace, quite the opposite, I would say, some of his other public shenanigans make me question his character.

 

[voxel]

Sounds likes another tesla commercial. Next one I buy will be from grown ups again. Just goes to show the old joke that you do not need to be the brain to be the boss. I found the arrogance filters right down through the company right to sales anyway.

Was starting to see a few tesla's up here which I thought great but that could slow down now. Big gas crapped that out and played Musk for a chump. I have nothing against Tesla's think they are cool just not for me.

Teslas don’t even have the best tech nor are the most efficient EVs.

I argue BMW with their brushed motors are more efficient (nothing has match my i4 for efficiency) and Chinese EVs have leapfrogged Tesla.

The Mach-E is Bolt era tech though.

 

[SpeedRacer72]

There's a temp sensor in the car for L2 charging?

Don't think I've ever heard that being an issue. Not that any part can't fail, of course. But it's the first report I've heard of that one.

Here is a post I made last year, just before I got rid of my MME regarding this issue and how it was total BS what @Ford Motor Company did to "fix the issue". I used a portable A/C to cool my charge port and it was the only way the car would charge on a hot day in the summer


https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/shhh-dont-tell-anybody-you-are-an-engineer-at-ford.37486/

 

[ChrisO]

Musk has a lot of brains and drive. Paypal, Tesla, Starlink, SpaceX, Optimus, Neuralink, etc.

However, as Teddy Roosevelt said, "To educate a person in the mind and not in morals is to create a menace to society." While Musk isn't at all a menace, quite the opposite, I would say, some of his other public shenanigans make me question his character.

I will give you that he knows how to get the right people to get things done. But make no mistake. He isn't the brains behind the actual tech. He's hired some very smart people and they are the secret sauce.

And even before his go around with Trump, and such the man has always leveraged governments to give him advantages and manipulate people. He's also an out and out liar and I detest liars. He's either a liar or stupid. And you're right, he's not stupid. He knows that the claims he is making are utterly ridiculous but he still makes them.

 

[Blue highway]

Teslas don’t even have the best tech nor are the most efficient EVs.

I argue BMW with their brushed motors are more efficient (nothing has match my i4 for efficiency) and Chinese EVs have leapfrogged Tesla.

The Mach-E is Bolt era tech though.

 

[mkhuffman]

Where is Rivian?



Actually, I am shocked how efficient my massive R1T is. For the same 145 mile drive I did a hundred times in my MME, the efficiency of my T is almost as good. I would get 2.6 to 2.7 mi/kWh on the drive. In my Rivian, I get 2.4 to 2.5 mi/kWh. Which translates to 340 miles of highway range. So great.

 

[voxel]

All BMW EVs vastly exceed EPA. Look at those fudged numbers by Tesla in your chart. Tesla always misses their targets. There are AWD EV with more power than RWD and consume basically the same amount of energy.

https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html

Permanent magnet motors are a terrible idea for efficiency. Purely for short range performance cars… (which the GTPE is a fake one). Hyundai/Kia physically disconnect the front motor as an optimization but seems overly complicated as it reconnects at 75mph again. Rivian I think disconnects the rear in Conserve mode.

 

[voxel]

Where is Rivian?



Actually, I am shocked how efficient my massive R1T is. For the same 145 mile drive I did a hundred times in my MME, the efficiency of my T is almost as good. I would get 2.6 to 2.7 mi/kWh on the drive. In my Rivian, I get 2.4 to 2.5 mi/kWh. Which translates to 340 miles of highway range. So great.

You had a GTPE. One of the least efficient non-giant EVs.

The BMW iX M60 has the same insane power but is far more efficient. It has air suspension and optional B&W but of course cost twice as much lol.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Musk has a lot of brains and drive. Paypal, Tesla, Starlink, SpaceX, Optimus, Neuralink, etc.

However, as Teddy Roosevelt said, "To educate a person in the mind and not in morals is to create a menace to society." While Musk isn't at all a menace, quite the opposite, I would say, some of his other public shenanigans make me question his character.

Musk co-founded X.com, which was bought out by Confinity. He served as CEO of the combined company very briefly and was fired due to his autocratic management style. The combined company later became known as PayPal.

Tesla: He was an early investor, not a founder. He has a well-documented track record of setting unrealistic and unobtainable timelines, which has become his well-known, meme-worthy trait of over-promising and under-delivering. His management style leads to burnout among his employees and can hinder innovation instead of fostering it. He has tied the brand to his public image, which is not a good long-term strategy for success.

Starlink: The Oracle of Pretoria's control over Starlink, part of a global internet infrastructure, has raised concerns about the potential for single-point failure, censorship, and geopolitical leverage. His decision to deny Starlink service to Ukraine in 2022 highlights this. Starlink is not astronomy-friendly. Starlink satellites negatively impact astronomy by creating visual interference with bright streaks on optical telescope images and radio interference from their leaked radio signals, which have overpowered faint signals from the early universe that radio telescopes are designed to detect. This interference is a growing concern with the increasing number of satellites and the significantly stronger radio emissions from second-generation models, potentially affecting future scientific discoveries.

SpaceX: The issues here are nearly identical to those at Tesla. Oh, and government subsidies.

Optimus: Space Karen's tendency to make extravagant claims and set extremely optimistic deadlines is also evident in Optimus' development. He has made bold predictions about the robot's capabilities and production targets that have yet to be realized. Both the 2024 Cybercab event and shirt-folding videos featured "robots" being operated by remote control. The robot's walking capabilities are below even today's state of the art found at other firms. The feasibility of and market demand for large-scale adoption of humanoid robots is also questionable at best. Competition in the robotics field is also stunningly brutal, something he's not faced.

Neuralink: Neuralink's brain-computer interface technology raises serious and significant ethical concerns regarding safety, privacy, data security, and the potential impact on human identity. There is a very real lack of transparency in the company's research and clinical trials. Apartheid Clyde's pronouncements regarding Neuralink's potential to cure neurological diseases and enhance human intelligence are not well regarded in the medical community, to put it mildly. Achieving these goals is far more complex than he has portrayed and requires a deeper understanding of brain mechanisms than currently exists. The implantation of Neuralink devices requires invasive surgery, which carries inherent risks and raises concerns about the safety and reliability of the technology.

Mr. Musk is a decent investor. He has, in the past, hired talent that can run companies for him if he leaves them alone, but that runs against his nature.

 

[ryannix123]

Musk co-founded X.com, which was bought out by Confinity. He served as CEO of the combined company very briefly and was fired due to his autocratic management style. The combined company later became known as PayPal.

Tesla: He was an early investor, not a founder. He has a well-documented track record of setting unrealistic and unobtainable timelines, which has become his well-known, meme-worthy trait of over-promising and under-delivering. His management style leads to burnout among his employees and can hinder innovation instead of fostering it. He has tied the brand to his public image, which is not a good long-term strategy for success.

Starlink: The Oracle of Pretoria's control over Starlink, part of a global internet infrastructure, has raised concerns about the potential for single-point failure, censorship, and geopolitical leverage. His decision to deny Starlink service to Ukraine in 2022 highlights this. Starlink is not astronomy-friendly. Starlink satellites negatively impact astronomy by creating visual interference with bright streaks on optical telescope images and radio interference from their leaked radio signals, which have overpowered faint signals from the early universe that radio telescopes are designed to detect. This interference is a growing concern with the increasing number of satellites and the significantly stronger radio emissions from second-generation models, potentially affecting future scientific discoveries.

SpaceX: The issues here are nearly identical to those at Tesla. Oh, and government subsidies.

Optimus: Space Karen's tendency to make extravagant claims and set extremely optimistic deadlines is also evident in Optimus' development. He has made bold predictions about the robot's capabilities and production targets that have yet to be realized. Both the 2024 Cybercab event and shirt-folding videos featured "robots" being operated by remote control. The robot's walking capabilities are below even today's state of the art found at other firms. The feasibility of and market demand for large-scale adoption of humanoid robots is also questionable at best. Competition in the robotics field is also stunningly brutal, something he's not faced.

Neuralink: Neuralink's brain-computer interface technology raises serious and significant ethical concerns regarding safety, privacy, data security, and the potential impact on human identity. There is a very real lack of transparency in the company's research and clinical trials. Apartheid Clyde's pronouncements regarding Neuralink's potential to cure neurological diseases and enhance human intelligence are not well regarded in the medical community, to put it mildly. Achieving these goals is far more complex than he has portrayed and requires a deeper understanding of brain mechanisms than currently exists. The implantation of Neuralink devices requires invasive surgery, which carries inherent risks and raises concerns about the safety and reliability of the technology.

Mr. Musk is a decent investor. He has, in the past, hired talent that can run companies for him if he leaves them alone, but that runs against his nature.

No company is perfect, just as no one is perfect. Not many entrepreneurs have done everything themselves. Sure, Musk is a co-founder of Tesla, and if you read Walter Isaacson's biography of Musk, then you'd know that Musk is the one who kept the company alive during the dark times.

You can say the same thing of Rockefeller, Carnegie, Ford, Jobs, Gates, Ellison, Watson, etc. Almost every great entrepreneur had a fantastic supporting cast and partners. e.g., Jobs and Wozniak. Gates and Allen. Ellison with Oates and Miner.

Anyway.

SpaceX is running circles around NASA: Faster. Better. Cheaper.

Starlink isn't the first satellite internet company, but it's the best.

 

[AZBill]

For me the main reason I want Android Auto (and for my wife Car Play) is the navigation. See, when I buy them, it is "for life". Long past when I trust automakers to support things like this. Sure, I could use my phone separately, but it is so much nicer to use the built-in screen.

There is also something that stick in my craw, GM's CEO saying, "We don't make displays". The fact that the CEO has no concern of what a lot of his customers want, tells me that when it comes to other features it is probably "You take the features I want to make, and like it.".

I have a GM vehicle, it is Android Automotive based OS, and has Google Maps built in. It also has access to the Google Playstore and can download many apps directly to the vehicle, such as Waze, ABRP, Plugshare, any music streaming app (except Apple Music). All these apps update automatically independent of OTAs. You can also set the vehicle to use your phone hotspot, instead of having to use a paid subscription for OnStar to connect the vehicle.

Google maps has a great EV route planning app when connected to the vehicle, and it has the Waze incident reporting on top of that. And new chargers get added to the database as they open up, no waiting for OTAs to get Tesla added.

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