Second gen mach-e probably not happening

[Mach1E]

Everyone is losing billions on EVs right now except for Tesla basically. So pulling in some of Tesla's most successful people was a genius move imo. All the knowledge, with none of Elon's BS.

The problem with pointing at Tesla as an example of profitability is that their path to profitability is NOT repeatable by other brands.

Tesla was first to mass market, made most of their early profits on carbon credits and government money, and now have a 50% market share.

There is only room for 1 company to do that and that doesn’t bode well for the dozens of companies competing with Tesla.

This move by Ford (if real, plans change all the time in a 4 year time period) won’t surprise me though.

Car companies are in the business of making profits. If a car doesn’t make money, it gets killed off. Even if it is profitable, it gets killed off when sales are sliding (their entire car/sedan lineup).

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[Mach1E]

I've mentioned that the Shelby Mach-E should have been V8 powered (Mach-8?) on another forum, I think that would have been awesome to see. I got a bunch of hate for saying that, honestly I don't know why.

I made a thread a while back that a Mach E (same size and look) with a GT500 motor would be awesome and pretty much no one here agreed ?.

Not sure why every BEV manufacturer makes a performance crossover and American manufacturers almost never have made a real gas powered one.

Think X3M, Macan turbo and Mercedes GLc63 competitors, but made by Ford, GM and Chrysler.

Last real legit one I can think of is the 1991 GMC Typhoon. Mid 2000s Trailblazer SS was ok, but still not there.

 

[flapjake314]

all i'm reading here is that my car is going to be a collectible soon!

 

[Jimrpa]

Some things aren’t lining up here. Sorry to be the skeptic, but:

• The Op is a recent joiner with few posts and, per their profile, owns a maverick hybrid. Doesn’t seem to fit in with the Mach-E crowd that well.
• The OP is claiming that an unnamed source says that Ford is using a “new skunkworks approach” to develop their small EV platform. That information has been previously published. The approach is NOT new. Ford did something similar when they developed the Mustang Mach-E. It was called “Team Edison”. The claim is that their new team has former Tesla engineers on it. I believe Ford also tried to hire former Tesla (and other EV/battery) people when developing the Mustang Mach-E. In fact, Ford freely admitted that they heavily benchmarked the Tesla model 3/Y when developing the Mustang Mach-E (which is probably why I got my beloved koi pond.
• It would seem to be a colossal waste to throw out the entire Mustang Mach-E after one generation. I can only think of two other Ford product lines that only lived for one generation: the Edsel and the LTD II. I don’t think the Mustang Mach-E is an Edsel-class failure.

Since I’m not planning on replacing my current vehicle until MY26 (late CY25), I can wait to see what happens. I do know a few things:

• I will not willingly purchase another non-EV again (and that also rules out hybrids).
• I do not WANT to look elsewhere, but if all Ford puts on offer is a Fiesta with a repurposed Singer sewing machine motor and a few D-cells so that they can “compete with the Chinese”, I’m out of here. I don’t know where I’ll go (not Tesla, and as much as I want to like Lucid, I can’t get over their Saudi ownership).

 

[Jimrpa]

So I'm confused why we should take this with a grain of salt, when it was already announced 5 months ago.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60245087/ford-compact-affordable-ev-2026/

Is there something new here I'm missing? This pivot has been in process for quite some time now.

The OP appears to be tolling the death of the Mustang Mach-E as a near-luxury performance vehicle. To be replaced by an Electric Fiesta.

 

[Bruboy]

It's PUMA time!

 

[Snakebitten]

The future has always had its unpredictability aspect. But even the NEAR future has become amazingly unpredictable. Especially the Covid/post Covid era.

In that framework, the Mach-E of tomorrow is anyone's guess.

But I'm so encouraged by the fellas that have some high mileage Mach-E's on this forum. Because I'm convinced that regardless of the near (5-7years) future of the Ford EV landscape, I already have a wonderful electric to drive anytime I so desire.

It's going to be very interesting to watch though.

 

[SonicBlue]

The future has always had its unpredictability aspect. But even the NEAR future has become amazingly unpredictable. Especially the Covid/post Covid era.

In that framework, the Mach-E of tomorrow is anyone's guess.

But I'm so encouraged by the fellas that have some high mileage Mach-E's on this forum. Because I'm convinced that regardless of the near (5-7years) future of the Ford EV landscape, I already have a wonderful electric to drive anytime I so desire.

It's going to be very interesting to watch though.

I agree. Even if the MME only has a 7-8 year production run, that’s not bad. I feel good that I got in on the ground floor with my 2021 FE (except for the delay on BC1.3 - grrrrrrr…). I’ll be looking to trade up by the time production ends. Meanwhile I’ve got a car that is mechanically sound and the software… well the software is basically adequate at this point and slowly getting better.

 

[MachE1977]

They should kill EV's. Their software and updates are atrocious. This puts people off to EV's when this is their first. Maybe they killed off BC also and will just use Tesla AP/FSD

 

[67 Stang Convertible]

While GE2 as a platform may be dead there’s nothing stopping Ford from slapping the MME badge on a CE1. They did it for the current compliance EV platform. There is goodwill in the name, after all. ?‍?

The Mustang 2, Again!!!

 

[dtbaker61]

So take this with a massive grain of salt, but BORG over on general motor insider forums leaked this info. For those who don't know, he's a credible ford insider who leaked things like product delays, styling descriptions, and so on before it was common knowledge. He's claiming the Ford three row EV crossover, which has been delayed multiple times, is now dead, and the GE2 Ford EV platform along with it.

For those who don't know, GE2 was gonna be the basis for a next gen mach-e. Now Ford is going full steam ahead on CE1, which is gonna be the small platform for their 25k EVs. Developed by the head engineer of the model y, it's apparently the most cost efficient EV platform ever designed, that's the goal at least. Dealers a few days ago were shown sketches of EV sedans, trucks, and utilities which could be based on this platform, it's apparently very flexible.

So some bitter sweet news, Ford's investing in EVs that will actually use a profitable platform, and make EVs sustainable long term as a business model. But it's coming at the expense of the mach-e unless they can use the mach-e platform for CE1 or something.

I'd love to see future models all move to a smaller platform.

I also hope they offer 'bare bones' base trim without all the infotainment and auto-drive software that requires expensive and problematic software development/maintenance/risk

 

[DeluxeStang]

So I'm confused why we should take this with a grain of salt, when it was already announced 5 months ago.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60245087/ford-compact-affordable-ev-2026/

Is there something new here I'm missing? This pivot has been in process for quite some time now.

Because it was originally announced that GE2 EVS were just delayed. Now some insiders are claiming they're being outright canceled all together.

 

[dtbaker61]

They should kill EV's. Their software and updates are atrocious. This puts people off to EV's when this is their first. Maybe they killed off BC also and will just use Tesla AP/FSD

? I hope you are not serious ?

@Ford Motor Company does need to hire a Director of Software cevelopment/release that has experience in SOFTWARE, not automotive, best practices.....

and dodge the problematic issues and complexities by going back to more mechanical components fir the basics in the powertrain and HVAC like buttons, door latches and keys. Forget the giant infotainment screen, or make it an option.

 

[DeluxeStang]

I made a thread a while back that a Mach E (same size and look) with a GT500 motor would be awesome and pretty much no one here agreed ?.

Not sure why every BEV manufacturer makes a performance crossover and American manufacturers almost never have made a real gas powered one.

Think X3M, Macan turbo and Mercedes GLc63 competitors, but made by Ford, GM and Chrysler.

Last real legit one I can think of is the 1991 GMC Typhoon. Mid 2000s Trailblazer SS was ok, but still not there.

I've noticed some hardcore fans of certain things aren't really open to entertaining certain ideas. Traditional mustang owners aren't accepting of the mach-e, and a lot of people on this site seem to ironically be against the idea of future ICE mustang models. Personally, I'm someone who loves interesting ICE and EV models alike, but I'm a rare breed.

 

[HuntingPudel]

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Maybe they killed off BC also and will just use Tesla AP/FSD

What’s BC? ????

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