SR Battery or ER Battery

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BTW, saw a Grabber Blue ICE Mustang, maybe about 2012, on the freeway tonight. I like it! If only I could convince my wife to add the racing stripes 😜
Can you do that, "better to ask for forgiveness later than ask for permission now" thing? Or does that lead to divorce?





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I discovered something quite interesting yesterday... I drive a 2018 Mazda CX-5 (Mid sized SUV, similar dimension to MME). I’ve never bother looking at the range until it pops up when the fuel warning light comes on, normally with around 50 miles predicted left. Yesterday however, when I filled up, I adjusted the driver display to show me the range on a full tank... it was showing me 366 miles! I couldn’t believe that. It’s less than the MME ER WLTP projection of 370. What’s more, within at least half a mile of driving, which involved pulling out of the service station and driving around 40mph, that had adjusted to 364. That was a real eye opener for me.

I’d suggest the majority of ICE drivers would have a similar behaviour to me in so much as they wouldn’t even worry about how much range a full tank gives them... They would just drive until they needed to add more fuel. Yet with EVs now giving comparable ranges on full charges, everyone has range anxiety, which is bonkers... at least in the UK where the charging infrastructure is more than adequate with there being more charge points than petrol stations. I’d even stick my neck out and say that with my driving and journey styles, I’ll get further on a fully charged ER AWD MME than on my current Mazda CX-5. So even the SR AWD which has the lowest projected range, would be more than enough for me. I’m opting for the AWD ER purely out of indulgence, as it’s the first car I’m buying outright, not leasing, and I want as much performance for driving pleasure, as possible.

I realise North America is a different bag all together, however I have family in Atlanta and Vancouver, who I visit often, and I would go so far as to say that even with their driving habits, which are greater distances more often, they would be also fine with a Standard Range MME and a home charger.
The CX-5 FWD fuel tank is only 14.8 gallons.
 

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I still occasionally re-evaluate my plan to proceed with the SR battery instead of paying $5000 extra for the ER. I'd only utilize the extra range on road trips (SR is plenty around home). We take a few trips each year, usually Denver to Vegas (780 miles). Now that EA has a station in Green River UT to fill in that gap and make it more doable, I plugged the route into ABRP to recalculate it.

It's shocking how much more expensive it is than gas. Driving our Escape, and counting only the enroute refuels (to be consistent with ABRP), it's only 2 gas stops. Roughly 21 gallons (~$50). But in an AWD ER Mach-e, ABRP shows 182 minutes of enroute charging. Even at EA's discounted subscription rate, that's somewhere between $91-$127 (not sure if the price is based on the max of the vehicle model or the max that it starts the session with, which varies base on your starting SOC).

Either way though, it's around TWICE as expensive as buying gas for the Escape. Wow. I know it's not huge $$ either way, but it's still discouraging to pay MORE for fuel on road trips instead of less. Which makes it even harder to consider paying the extra $5000 for the ER.

Home charging is completely the opposite, of course. Which is why I'm adding a BEV to my garage for around-home use. But the ER battery just keeps screaming "waste of money!" everytime I evaluate it.
 

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I still occasionally re-evaluate my plan to proceed with the SR battery instead of paying $5000 extra for the ER. I'd only utilize the extra range on road trips (SR is plenty around home). We take a few trips each year, usually Denver to Vegas (780 miles). Now that EA has a station in Green River UT to fill in that gap and make it more doable, I plugged the route into ABRP to recalculate it.

It's shocking how much more expensive it is than gas. Driving our Escape, and counting only the enroute refuels (to be consistent with ABRP), it's only 2 gas stops. Roughly 21 gallons (~$50). But in an AWD ER Mach-e, ABRP shows 182 minutes of enroute charging. Even at EA's discounted subscription rate, that's somewhere between $91-$127 (not sure if the price is based on the max of the vehicle model or the max that it starts the session with, which varies base on your starting SOC).

Either way though, it's around TWICE as expensive as buying gas for the Escape. Wow. I know it's not huge $$ either way, but it's still discouraging to pay MORE for fuel on road trips instead of less. Which makes it even harder to consider paying the extra $5000 for the ER.

Home charging is completely the opposite, of course. Which is why I'm adding a BEV to my garage for around-home use. But the ER battery just keeps screaming "waste of money!" everytime I evaluate it.
If I am going with a "just around home range" BEV, then I am troubled by spending over $50,000 for such a vehicle. I have a PHEV that do "most" but not all of this and this can take a long distance trip without any range issues or extra costs for refueling.
 

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Here in UK I could cope with a SR RWD. The issue I have is that model specs here are different and on preorder we CAN'T add options. All the fancy tech isn't available on the SR models (RWD or AWD) so we have no choice but to go for the ER. That is what is our deciding factor.
 

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I am really confused how different Ford designed his model configurations world wide. In the past I heard that auto builders spend money while increasing their numbers of configurations. You can't compare an US MME with a GB or a German pony. Unbelievable. Here in Germany 🇩🇪 we have two so called technology packeges (1 & 2). In the second packag you find the glass roof, the pony lights in the doors, the comfort seats and the movable mirrors. In packeges no1 you find all the assistances and the b&o sound system.
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If I am going with a "just around home range" BEV, then I am troubled by spending over $50,000 for such a vehicle. I have a PHEV that do "most" but not all of this and this can take a long distance trip without any range issues or extra costs for refueling.
That really speaks more to buying an expensive BEV at all rather than ER vs SR, since the extra 60 miles range on the ER (less at road trip speeds) doesn't really solve the road trip problem anyway. Just makes it marginally less compromising.

I do struggle with $50,000 part too though. I would hope for that kind of money that it could do road trips as easily our ICE car. But alas, BEVs just can't. Is $50,000 too much to spend for a car that's only a good fit for 80% of our miles/year? Probably. It's certainly more than we NEED to spend. For us this is definitely a splurge.... but I do have my limits. And since we're a 2-car household, one of the cars is usually sitting in the garage anyway, so it's not like they're both getting full usage. I suppose we're "over-carred". 😎

But if we only had one car and needed to rely on it for everything, I'd probably be looking PHEV instead too.
 
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I do struggle with $50,000 part too though. I would hope for that kind of money that it could do road trips as easily our ICE car.
And this is where Tesla's advantage is apparent. Not only does Tesla have faster charging but cheaper as well ($.30/kwh) - it IS cheaper using superchargers than gas. Eventually EA might get cheaper, but only if there is legitimate high current competition OR Ford et al subsidize the charging like Tesla does
 

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And this is where Tesla's advantage is apparent. Not only does Tesla have faster charging but cheaper as well ($.30/kwh) - it IS cheaper using superchargers than gas. Eventually EA might get cheaper, but only if there is legitimate high current competition OR Ford et al subsidize the charging like Tesla does
Depending on what kind of mileage the Mach-e gets at high speeds, anyway. It's interesting that ABRP is currently showing just 2.64 miles/kWh @ 65 MPH for the Mach-e AWD ER. For the whole 780 mile drive that would calculate to 295 kWh used, which is $89 @ $0.30/kWh. 780 miles @ 25 MPG ICE is 31 gallons. $2.87/gal would be the break-even gas price for that. That's in the general range of where the national avg price usually sits. Probably more on the expensive coastal cities though.

I'm hoping the Mach-e does better than 2.64 MPK at 65 MPH. (Although most of the Utah drive is 80 MPH so it could actually fall below 2.5 MPK.)
 

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