"Stop Safely Now" warning & start failure caused by charging system fault

[KevinS]

To each their own, but living in fear is ridiculous to me. We took a 2,950 mile drive with the 2022 Mach-E (made before the new HVBJB) in February. The previous May we took it on a 1,045 mile trip, and in August on a 625 mile trip, followed by a 555 mile trip. I have stomped on the pedal more times than I can count.

i personally couldn't live with a car if I was afraid it would leave me stranded. Life's too short.

Granted, I did that for too long when I was 16 and drove a 1974 MG Midget, but finances were different then (as were cars... don't miss carbs at all, let alone dual HS4's)

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[RickMachE]

i personally couldn't live with a car if I was afraid it would leave me stranded. Life's too short.

Granted, I did that for too long when I was 16 and drove a 1974 MG Midget, but finances were different then (as were cars... don't miss carbs at all, let alone dual HS4's)

So have you sold your 2021?

 

[KevinS]

So have you sold your 2021?

No, I don't fall in to that category of MME driver (yet.) I did buy an extended warranty, though.

 

[RickMachE]

No, I don't fall in to that category of MME driver (yet.) I did buy an extended warranty, though.

So, are you driving it fearing it's going to fail at any time?

No extended warranty is needed for the HVBJB, which is warranted for 8 years / 100,000 miles just like the battery (and cannot be extended with an extended warranty).

 

[KevinS]

So, are you driving it fearing it's going to fail at any time?

No, not at all. I would sell it if I felt that way. I don't need that feeling in my life.

No extended warranty is needed for the HVBJB, which is warranted for 8 years / 100,000 miles just like the battery (and cannot be extended with an extended warranty).

I bought it more because if was a first year model and expect it to be more likely (especially as a Job 1) that there are general issues after 3yr/36,000mi.

 

[RickMachE]

No, not at all. I would sell it if I felt that way. I don't need that feeling in my life.

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[Susanne76]

I’m also in the camp of being a little cautious now about where I go with the car. I haven’t had any problems yet thankfully except one SVS alert early on which upon discussion here might have been caused by incorrect use of the gear shift.

What disturbs me is not so much the risk of failure, which I understand is low. It’s the experiences people are describing of struggling with the dealers, not being able to get problems diagnosed and solved. Being without the car for days, weeks or months. Then repeat of problem.

I think others have articulated this really well on the forum and it’s very frustrating to read of (in many cases) an apparent lack of acceptable response from Ford.

Not having confidence in being able to get the car fixed if and when needed is a big negative…

 

[jamelski]

You got a lemon b. time for buy back.

I got my HVJB change to the new one and I drive my GTPE like I stole it charge to 100% DCFC have taken tons of roads trips one with 6 DCFC on a 15 hours drive. Wot after wot. I’m good 30k miles. ??‍

 

[DevSecOps]

I'm not 100% sure. I'll have to dig up my original service records to verify but I think that it was replaced in February of 2022 as part of the repair for my first failure when Ford had less of an idea of what was going on. Why do you ask? Is the BECM supposed to be replaced also?

Originally Ford replaced the BECM with the HVBJB. It was determined very early on that it wasn't necessary to do that so they stopped it as a practice when replacing the HVBJB.

To complicate matters, some field technicians refer to the HVBJB as a BECM in error. We've seen this a few times where they incorrectly label the HVBJB on service work orders.

So no, you don't get the BECM replaced with the HVBJB. Some people may still have early memories of that happening.

 

[stealthytolkien]

To each their own, but living in fear is ridiculous to me. We took a 2,950 mile drive with the 2022 Mach-E (made before the new HVBJB) in February. The previous May we took it on a 1,045 mile trip, and in August on a 625 mile trip, followed by a 555 mile trip. I have stomped on the pedal more times than I can count.

With all due respect, I only partially agree with your point.

We have effectively named our MME GTPE as the in-state car not because we are living in fear but because we want to mitigate a potential risk of being stranded (and on top of that, services not cooperating such as tow, Ford, and chargers). That’s the biggest issue to be honest. Everything fails at some point. But with this particular company, it’s just a crapshoot.

This was a conscious decision made until we see a conclusive action from Ford. Worst case scenario - we will absolutely take that risk after weighing in other factors. But not if it can be avoided. We have a very capable second car. For single car owners, I have to say that it is indeed a risk they’re taking when going on super long drives. Is the probability that it breaks down high? Nope. But is the impact high? You bet!

With Tesla that I had, we did plenty of long trips including coast to coast in USA and never even thought about battery management issues.

But, knowing about those issues and not managing this risk can prove to be very disruptive in case the risk materializes (always at the wrong time and wrong place), especially with an infant in the car.

Thankfully, more than 80% of our driving happens in the same state / greater city areas, and for that, it is a “delicious” car to drive. And with this “arrangement”, we don’t live in fear to your point. Because otherwise, it’s just a garage ornament and we would have traded it already.

 

[silverelan]

It is concerning that the latest version of the HVBJB is still failing. I’m confused why this component hasn’t been beefed up by the engineers as appropriate to ensure that this stops happening.

 

[Mike G]

Originally Ford replaced the BECM with the HVBJB. It was determined very early on that it wasn't necessary to do that so they stopped it as a practice when replacing the HVBJB.

To complicate matters, some field technicians refer to the HVBJB as a BECM in error. We've seen this a few times where they incorrectly label the HVBJB on service work orders.

So no, you don't get the BECM replaced with the HVBJB. Some people may still have early memories of that happening.

They didn't release the BECM event counter reset tool in FDRS until relatively recently.

So HVJBs that were replaced but the BECM counter wasn't reset could mean that the number of counts still in memory is causing SSNs sooner than it's supposed to happen.

The smart move here is to run the BECM counter reset tool and see if the DTCs return right away.

 

[DevSecOps]

They didn't release the BECM event counter reset tool in FDRS until relatively recently.

So HVJBs that were replaced but the BECM counter wasn't reset could mean that the number of counts still in memory is causing SSNs sooner than it's supposed to happen.

The smart move here is to run the BECM counter reset tool and see if the DTCs return right away.

I'm not sure why you quoted me. He asked about replacing the BECM which was originally what they did early on. Has nothing to do with the current reset procedure.

 

[DevSecOps]

With all due respect, I only partially agree with your point.

We have effectively named our MME GTPE as the in-state car not because we are living in fear but because we want to mitigate a potential risk of being stranded (and on top of that, services not cooperating such as tow, Ford, and chargers). That’s the biggest issue to be honest. Everything fails at some point. But with this particular company, it’s just a crapshoot.

This was a conscious decision made until we see a conclusive action from Ford. Worst case scenario - we will absolutely take that risk after weighing in other factors. But not if it can be avoided. We have a very capable second car. For single car owners, I have to say that it is indeed a risk they’re taking when going on super long drives. Is the probability that it breaks down high? Nope. But is the impact high? You bet!

With Tesla that I had, we did plenty of long trips including coast to coast in USA and never even thought about battery management issues.

But, knowing about those issues and not managing this risk can prove to be very disruptive in case the risk materializes (always at the wrong time and wrong place), especially with an infant in the car.

Thankfully, more than 80% of our driving happens in the same state / greater city areas, and for that, it is a “delicious” car to drive. And with this “arrangement”, we don’t live in fear to your point. Because otherwise, it’s just a garage ornament and we would have traded it already.

Very well said. Many of us share your feelings. We love the car but we just don't want to deal with the possibility of being stranded and ruining an otherwise pleasant trip. If we get stranded, which is possible in any vehicle, we deal with it, not fear it. But why take the risk, especially when we've been burned before.

I would rather have fear in my life than be continuously grumpy and feel the need to degrade others online, but to each their own I guess.

 

[Logal727]

i personally couldn't live with a car if I was afraid it would leave me stranded. Life's too short.

Granted, I did that for too long when I was 16 and drove a 1974 MG Midget, but finances were different then (as were cars... don't miss carbs at all, let alone dual HS4's)

All cars can leave you stranded, they’ve all got tires.

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