Tesla Slashes Prices

[SWO]

or advertising 480 hp. But leaving out that you only get it for 5secs. Hmmm. Truth in advertising.

This is a silly complaint / argument. ICE vehicles only have their peak power at a specific point in the RPM band.

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[Ghost Ryder]

I think carmakers are pumping out too many cars for the current demand which is why EV days supply of cars is 75 (trucks are far worse at 120-150 days). Telsa will cut prices further IMO and other carmakers will follow suit because demand is softening.

More deals like $17.5K off Volvo C40s leases and $600/months leases on $110K+ Mercedes EQSes will appear.

Can’t wait. Needs to bring prices down.

 

[SWO]

are you claiming that Teslas are not more efficient than cars that use resistive heaters and that heat pump don’t help with efficiency?

That's a nice stawman you have there.

Teslas are efficient because they're made out of tinfoil and shaped like bars of soap.

Actual testing of Teslas (M3?) pre and post Heat Pump have shown negligible improvements.

 

[voxel]

Actual testing of Teslas (M3?) pre and post Heat Pump have shown negligible improvements.

Actually I don't think what you said is true. Bjorn's detailed tests over the last few years has pre and post heat pump and there is a significant jump in efficiency.

Now if folks are referencing the incompetent study by Consumer Reports.. sure. That basically is some hand-wavy study.

 

[theduke]

This is a silly complaint / argument. ICE vehicles only have their peak power at a specific point in the RPM band.

No, it's not silly. Not when the direct competition doesn't limit power after 5 seconds.

 

[theduke]

Can’t wait. Needs to bring prices down.

Model X inventory looks really high. Wonder what would happen if they priced it at 79,999 to hit the IRA credit. Probably clear inventory out in a day.

 

[theduke]

That's a nice stawman you have there.

Teslas are efficient because they're made out of tinfoil and shaped like bars of soap.

Actual testing of Teslas (M3?) pre and post Heat Pump have shown negligible improvements.

Ok, now you just sound like a Tesla hater.

If they were made of tinfoil, they would not have the highest crash ratings score of every location (USA, EU, and China) of any car in their class.

And actual tests pre and post heat-pump show that in cold weather when the resistive heater would be on, the heat pump makes a marked improvement. Mild (70s F) weather, not much.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

This is a silly complaint / argument. ICE vehicles only have their peak power at a specific point in the RPM band.

That's right, ICE car can maintain max power until they run out of gas as long as they keep the RPM at the peak. The MachE loses power quickly after 5 seconds, even if you don't keep on accelerating.

So what was your point again?

 

[devmach-e]

That’s what I’m saying. Their epa range is higher than their real range.

"Real range" is hard to quantify in a laboratory setting. Everyone's driving patterns are different. The EPA range was never meant to be a guarantee of what someone will achieve. It, along with MPG numbers for ICE powered vehicles, is meant to be a comparison tool to allow consumers to look at two comparable cars and see how efficient they are. It allows them to pick the more "fuel efficient" car.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

That's a nice stawman you have there.

Teslas are efficient because they're made out of tinfoil and shaped like bars of soap.

Actual testing of Teslas (M3?) pre and post Heat Pump have shown negligible improvements.

Here's test that shows that the heat pump is 3x as efficient as resistive heaters in the model 3.
https://electrek.co/2020/12/03/tesla-model-3-heat-pump-comparison-results/

I'm going to assume that if energy is not used for heating, it can be used for range.

 

[SWO]

Actually I don't think what you said is true. Bjorn's detailed tests over the last few years has pre and post heat pump and there is a significant jump in efficiency.

Now if folks are referencing the incompetent study by Consumer Reports.. sure. That basically is some hand-wavy study.

You're talking about the test where he parked 2 cars at above-freezing temps?

I had to go back to the video and he saved 1.4kw over 3 hours of use. Even if you don't factor in the 2019 vs 2021 model year differences (age, battery health, double pane windows, etc.) you can figure out how many extra miles 1.4kw gets you (in a best case scenario for the heat pump).

I think the CR test lays out a clear picture. Both the MY and Mach-E get 68% of their warm weather range in the winter (unless you want to use Telsa's bogus EPA #'s....then it's even worse).

https://www.consumerreports.org/car...e-affects-electric-vehicle-range-a4873569949/

 

[devmach-e]

So if every car company uses a lower results test, and one company uses a higher results test, then yes nothing was done wrong. For that one company and all its minions to go on and on about how the car has SO much range IS WRONG, truth in advertising would be acknowledging they use a different test so results may vary....

On the Monroney sticker where the range or MPG figure is published, is a disclaimer that basically states your results may vary due to a variety of factors.

 

[SWO]

Here's test that shows that the heat pump is 3x as efficient as resistive heaters in the model 3.
https://electrek.co/2020/12/03/tesla-model-3-heat-pump-comparison-results/

I'm going to assume that if energy is not used for heating, it can be used for range.

1. That test has lots of problems.
2. All that energy saved comes out to 4.2mi (at 3mi/kwh) over the course of 3 hours of driving.

 

[SWO]

No, it's not silly. Not when the direct competition doesn't limit power after 5 seconds.

No, it shows a lack of understanding for how HP is measured in every vehicle.

 

[theduke]

No, it shows a lack of understanding for how HP is measured in every vehicle.

Please. When the direct competition, a Model Y Perf, can sustain full power throughout and the GTME intentionally cuts power after 5s, it's a design flaw, plain and simple.

Having had multiple Tesla packs apart personally, I would be the GTME probably has inadequate cooling to sustain multiple or sustained full power draws. Tesla's Model S before 2017 had this problem as well, although they let pack heat determine the throttle curve, not an arbitrary time like 5s.

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