Tesla Supercharger Network vs. the World

[EVer]

Virtually everyone, including Tesla spokespeople. The only person I've seen claim otherwise doesn't base it on anything but unsupported assumptions.

And there is the unsupported assumption or, more accurately, lie.

Why are you so dishonest? What’s the point? Once again, Tesla loses money on service. They haven’t made any money on service since 2016; rather they’ve lost billions.

You even posted a link showing it graphically:

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[EVer]

Do you know what negative margin means? It means a loss.


Tesla “made” negative $1.03 billion on service over the last couple years

Tesla making a profit on service wouldn’t be a bad thing, but they have not in several years.

 

[EVer]

We’re done here. I can’t carry on a conversation with someone who makes up numbers, contradicts himself, and lies.

 

[dbsb3233]

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You keep making the same mistake over and over. You refuse to count all the other expenses involved. There's demand charges, maintenance, administration, rent, taxes, R&D, etc etc etc on top of the base rates for electricity and the capital costs for equipment and installation.

And you refuse to weigh all that against low volume of sales, thus low revenues.

What you're doing is like saying "McDonalds only spends $1.00 for each hamburger but sells Big Macs for $4.00, so the company must have a 300% profit margin!". Um no. Not even close.

 

[EVer]

What you're doing is like saying "McDonalds only spends $1.00 for each hamburger but sells Big Macs for $4.00, so the company must have a 300% profit margin!". Um no. Not even close.

Crude oil is going for about $40/barrel. A barrel holds 42 gallons. Call it $1/gallon.
I just filled my truck up for $3.19/gallon. Profit margin of 219%! Wow!

 

[dbsb3233]

For free? Wow, what a great deal!

Or did you finally just admit there are maintenance costs?

And suggesting that they're small flies in the face of all the frequent reports of charging stations being inoperable or broken, needing repair/upgrade. That costs $$$. In parts, in equipment, in labor, in administration.

 

[dbsb3233]

Wrong. Tesla is heavily impacted by demand charges just like everyone else...

https://electrek.co/2020/10/29/tesla-tests-supercharger-limited-time-discounts-peak-demand-charges/

Tesla is apparently starting to test discounted rates at Supercharger stations in order to offset expensive peak demand charges.
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Electric utilities are making large energy users pay “demand charges” during peak use that can be quite taxing, especially to charging station operators.
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Electrify America told Electrek that some utilities charge them as much as $30 to $40 per kW in demand charges, and if some vehicles can charge at over 200 kW, you can imagine that the cost can be quite high.
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That’s why they are installing Tesla Powerpacks at many of their charging stations. (That cost a lot.)
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Tesla is also subject to those demand charges with its Supercharger network

 

[dbsb3233]

No, it doesn't include the R&D. $250k is the incremental price for the 20th and 50th and 100th charger, not the 1st one. It took a helluva lot more cost to develop that 1st one. It also takes ONGOING costs to keep developing and improving them.

R&D is more than just the chargers themselves, BTW. There's development of the website infrastructure. Development of payment processes. Development of users accounts creation and interactive maps and the charger database. Development in handshake functions with the myriad of BEV models that keep coming out.

And we haven't even talked about things like credit card fees, corporate office expense, advertising, lobbying, etc etc etc.

All of that (and more) COSTS MONEY.

 

[dbsb3233]

Except it's not. You just *think* it does for some reason, despite the preponderance of evidence to the contrary.

If you find a credible source saying that DCFC charging is a profitable operation, feel free to post a link.

 

[EVer]

If NRE were free, I’d be homeless.

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