Tesla wants your Mach-E

[SpeedRacer72]

Just curious what’s your thoughts on the ride quality of the MY vs your previous MME?

So far it seems similar, I think the Tesla is a just a smidge smoother over normal roads
but on bumpy roads the big tires on the Tesla seem to make it worse

I like the MME as a daily driver, I mean you see how many miles I put on it in 3 years, but there were a lot of issues that frustrated me so bad that I could not deal with any longer.

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[Sandpiper]

So far it seems similar, I think the Tesla is a just a smidge smoother over normal roads
but on bumpy roads the big tires on the Tesla seem to make it worse

I like the MME as a daily driver, I mean you see how many miles I put on it in 3 years, but there were a lot of issues that frustrated me so bad that I could not deal with any longer.

Just curious what sort of issues you had? Congrats on getting the car that is right for you and the great trade in offer.

 

[SpeedRacer72]

Do they though?

How much of a discount below MSRP did Tesla give you on your purchase?

Now compare that $0 discount to the thousands off sticker you can get buying from any other manufacturer right now.

Plus that low ball offer from CarMax just says that they don’t want your car. You would get better offers from a dealer trying to sell you another car.

Trade in is just one of the parts of the car purchasing formula. Selling price, add ons and finance rates all matter too.

Dealers will give you a better trade and hose you elsewhere if they can. ?

They must want it if they were offering $6,000 more than CarMax.
In fact, $17,000 was more than KBB or Edmunds was valuing the car. They were around $15k

I got $2,000 off the price, $1,000 through the Tesla referral program, and $1,000 off for military veterans.

It is not my first car purchase, I know the tricks that dealers try to use. There were no tricks with Tesla. You can go on their website and select Model Y performance in Stealth Gray and add the tow hitch and you will get the same price I did.

 

[Mach1E]

They must want it if they were offering $6,000 more than CarMax.
In fact, $17,000 was more than KBB or Edmunds was valuing the car. They were around $15k

I got $2,000 off the price, $1,000 through the Tesla referral program, and $1,000 off for military veterans.

It is not my first car purchase, I know the tricks that dealers try to use. There were no tricks with Tesla. You can go on their website and select Model Y performance in Stealth Gray and add the tow hitch and you will get the same price I did.

That doesn’t mean they wanted it necessarily, they may just send it to auction. Actually pretty likely with over

But they do want it “more” than CarMax for sure.

I was just pointing out that a higher trade in at Tesla doesn’t necessarily mean you get a better overall deal.

If the Model Y is selling at MSRP with a $17k trade in but Ford offers you $15k trade….. but $10,000 off sticker, which is the better deal?

FWIW, I do think you got a good deal. Was just pointing out that the conclusion of the thread title isn’t necessarily the case.

Enjoy the new ride!

 

[Dear_OP]

There are no BS smoke 'n mirrors with Tesla unlike dealerships. WYSIWYG. It's great that way for some folks. The traditional dealership model needs to go away or massively revamped.

Tesla is trying to clear out "old" Model Y inventory in preparation for the new Juniper Y. Hence they take in anything to achieve that. Your MME will likely go to auction.
Don't get me wrong, the Model Y in its current incarnation is still a bloody good people mover EV. It's SDV architecture enables it to be updated and stay relevant. I might add a Juniper Y down the road if there are no further advancements from alternatives.

 

[RickMachE]

The biggest reason is recharge speed and the supercharger network.
Also, everyone that has a Tesla seems to love their car.

I have not been able to take my MME on a trip out of town for 2 years since EA was the only option and we all know what a disaster they are.
After I received my NACS adapter, I took the MME on a 600 mile round trip, but the slow recharge speed of the MME added 2 hours to the trip, each way.

I did not really look at the other options because, they do not have access to the Tesla SC network.

I would love to have you do that 600 mile roundtrip and document exactly the charging difference between the Mach-E and the Model Y.

2 hours is 4 charges. You don't need to charge 4 times on a 600 mile trip, at least I don't. It would be likely 3 charges, with the last one just enough to make the destination.

 

[Sikkun]

I would love to have you do that 600 mile roundtrip and document exactly the charging difference between the Mach-E and the Model Y.

2 hours is 4 charges. You don't need to charge 4 times on a 600 mile trip, at least I don't. It would be likely 3 charges, with the last one just enough to make the destination.

I have done a 522 mile on a single charge stop….so deff feel like 2 for 600 is easy.

But apparently everyone around here drives 95+ MPH.

Granted every EA I have stopped at also just plugged and charge no problems…so maybe the Eastern part of the US is some magical EV land.

 

[SpeedRacer72]

Just curious what sort of issues you had? Congrats on getting the car that is right for you and the great trade in offer.

There were a couple issues

1st was the software change that Ford made to compensate for the faulty charge port issue. Instead of fixing the charge ports, they changed the software to throttle the Level 2 charge speed to keep the charge port from overheating.
And nobody even knew it had happened. Seems like this should have been in the software release notes at a minimum.
One day my car was charging nice and fast at 9.6 kwh's and the next day it was down to 6KW
I took it to the dealership and they were as useless as Bruce Jenner's breast milk
They kept the car for over a week, charged it up one time using a 6kwh charger and said they could find nothing wrong. Even though I had told them it only seems to happen when using a 10KWH charger. Again, the dealership was useless
The service advisor told me he had multiple MME's in the shop for the same reason, so that should have been their first clue. But they could not be bothered to even try and work through the problem. It was not until I saw a post on this forum that I found out what the cause was.

2nd was the known issue with the coax cable for the front camera. Mine failed, and again this is a known defect. The dealership quoted a price of over $3k to replace (they wanted to replace the coax cable, the camera, and the IPMA) and again, because the dealership is useless, they could not say that it would fix the problem. I would just have to cough up $3k and see if they could fix it.

3rd is just the terribly slow recharge speed at DCFC's
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4th is related to 3rd, there were many times in the winter of 2022 when EA was starting to fall apart, I would plug in and only get a 32KW recharge speed and I thought it was the car limiting the charge rate because the battery was cold, because back then they did not even have the precondition by navigating to a charger feature in the software) but I had no way of knowing because the car did not and still does not display anything about the charge rate, i.e. requested speed from charger and speed the charger is delivering. ( in 2021 the EA chargers themselves displayed this info, but they removed it from the screens)
It was not until much later that I realized that the 32KW speed was the default speed for an EA charger when it has a problem that does not completely take it offline, had the car displayed the requested charge rate I could have known it was the charger and tried switching to a different charger. So in the winter of 2022 I spent a lot of time unnecessarily at charge stations recharging at 32KW's because of this aversion of Ford to giving the drivers info about what the car is doing.
5th is related to 4th, the fact that there is so much info that Ford does not display, information that would be important to know. i.e. is the car preconditioning the battery or not. Who knows? the car doesn't say if it is

There are other smaller issues, but these were the biggest for me.

 

[Mach1E]

There are no BS smoke 'n mirrors with Tesla unlike dealerships. WYSIWYG. It's great that way for some folks. The traditional dealership model needs to go away or massively revamped.

Tesla is trying to clear out "old" Model Y inventory in preparation for the new Juniper Y. Hence they take in anything to achieve that. Your MME will likely go to auction.
Don't get me wrong, the Model Y in its current incarnation is still a bloody good people mover EV. It's SDV architecture enables it to be updated and stay relevant. I might add a Juniper Y down the road if there are no further advancements from alternatives.

There is still some BS smoke and mirrors.

It starts with the “$6,000 in potential gas savings” they put on the advertised price and ends with drastic swings in MSRP over the last few years.

Yes, you pay sticker price. But that’s not always a good thing. Those huge price drops a couple years ago really hosed their existing customers on resale.

I don’t think the traditional model should go away, but I’m ok if it has some competition from manufacturer direct.

Buying a car from a store in a mall works when you only have a few models and a few trims and options.

But I still think we need local big dealerships with huge service centers, body shops and used car lots.

Buying a Mach E wasn’t that different than buying a Tesla, without the need for a whole dealership model change.

 

[IgorKl]

I have done a 522 mile on a single charge stop….so deff feel like 2 for 600 is easy.

But apparently everyone around here drives 95+ MPH.

Granted every EA I have stopped at also just plugged and charge no problems…so maybe the Eastern part of the US is some magical EV land.

“600 miles on 2 charges” means that you started with SOC 100%, charge to 90% both times and drive 55-65 mph - it would not work for many people

 

[Sikkun]

“600 miles on 2 charges” means that you started with SOC 100%, charge to 90% both times and drive 55-65 mph - it would not work for many people

Start at 100% yes.

90% both times and drive 55? No.

I can go from my house to Disney World charge to 85% outside of Atlanta, 65% around Jasper.

Over 600 miles…. driving the speed limit.

And even if I did charge to 90% both times, did not add 2 hours.

 

[Dear_OP]

There is still some BS smoke and mirrors.

It starts with the “$6,000 in potential gas savings” they put on the advertised price and ends with drastic swings in MSRP over the last few years.

Yes, you pay sticker price. But that’s not always a good thing. Those huge price drops a couple years ago really hosed their existing customers on resale.

I don’t think the traditional model should go away, but I’m ok if it has some competition from manufacturer direct.

Buying a car from a store in a mall works when you only have a few models and a few trims and options.

But I still think we need local big dealerships with huge service centers, body shops and used car lots.

Buying a Mach E wasn’t that different than buying a Tesla, without the need for a whole dealership model change.

There is a slider to exclude the silly gas savings. Other mfgs pull this too. And Ford throws in post rebate on their ads.
Dealership sales folks are clueless about EV, not interested to sell them and make you go through their song and dance because the manager is watching. Old school sheenanigans like these turn me off.
I said dealership not service centers. Tesla, Rivian and Polestar have separate service centers.

Modern car purchasing format needn't have to remain in the sleazy sales trope. They are of their own undoing.
Product price adjustments is nothing unusual. You buy when you need a new vehicle. It's timing. Legacy makers do the same by offering incentives, store rebates, "employee discounts" etc. Smoke and mirrors. Tesla/Rivian/Polestar are just more transparent because it happens at MSRP.

 

[Mach1E]

There is a slider to exclude the silly gas savings. Other mfgs pull this too. And Ford throws in post rebate on their ads.
Dealership sales folks are clueless about EV, not interested to sell them and make you go through their song and dance because the manager is watching. Old school sheenanigans like these turn me off.
I said dealership not service centers. Tesla, Rivian and Polestar have separate service centers.

Modern car purchasing format needn't have to remain in the sleazy sales trope. They are of their own undoing.
Product price adjustments is nothing unusual. You buy when you need a new vehicle. It's timing. Legacy makers do the same by offering incentives, store rebates, "employee discounts" etc. Smoke and mirrors. Tesla/Rivian/Polestar are just more transparent because it happens at MSRP.

The rebate is real money back in your bank account, “potential gas savings” is completely made up and certainly doesn’t apply to people who already own EVs.

If other manufacturers put fake gas savings in their advertised prices, I’m not aware of any. But if they do, I’ll chastise them too for the deception.

For sure legacy dealers can and should do better. It’s why I welcome more competition from manufacturer direct. It’ll force them to change or become obsolete.

But I have a hard time believing that a salesperson at a “Ford corporate” store is going to be any better than a salesperson at a locally owned dealership.

If anything it’ll be worse due to LACK of competition.

In and around Tampa Bay, there are tons of Ford dealers. That means they have to COMPETE based on price and service.

If there was just a single “Ford corporate direct” store in Tampa…… I think it would suck.

 

[Jeff-NoVA]

I think Tesla is desperate to move metal. 0% financing offers, price cuts, crazy trade-in deals like OPs. They need numbers and between a segment of the population that won't even consider a Tesla anymore and their aging lineup, pricing is their best (only?) weapon.

OP, I think your MY looks nice; I've always loved those wheels. Around me, Teslas are more common than Camrys and I enjoy having a somewhat less common vehicle in the MME - however I was at a stoplight with two others MMEs just yesterday! I guess those increased sales numbers are playing out on the roads.

 

[rcechinel]

I did not really look at the other options because, they do not have access to the Tesla SC network.

I'm sure you will love your MY. I just want to clarify that Rivian and, since this week, GM have access to the SC.

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