The Mach-E needs a REAL refresh!

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I think perfecting software and improving battery efficiency and management outrank a major hardware refresh. By the end of 2024 Ford should pretty much know all the weaknesses of the current design. Only then time to do a major refresh.
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I’m still amazed with how Ford really hit the Mach E out of the park in 2021. The only nit pick things I’d want to see if I was in the market in 2025 would be:

- Add ventilated front seats (option or standard).
- Offer a solid no-glass roof option.
- Improve the access plan for the 12v battery (for jumping if needed).
- Improve timing and reliability of software updates.
- Implement a software option to have the right side view mirror auto tilt down when in reverse.

This is long shot and probably in the minority, but I wish the Mach E had mechanical door handles.
 

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I'm not sure that Ford needs to do a ton to the Mach E at this point. Range and efficiency are actually pretty decent. My short wish list for the Mach E would be based on some of my experiences with the other EV in our garage (BMW i4):
  1. More liberal protocols for DCFC speeds and battery cooling. The Mach E doesn't need 800V architecture; just a better BMS and charging curve. The i4 peaks at 210 kW and holds a pretty high charge rate beyond 50% SOC, despite having a smaller battery than the Mach E. If the Mach E could hold a 170-180 kW charge rate through 60%-70%, this would be an even better road tripping car. There's no reason the larger battery (99 kWh gross) couldn't handle higher charging speeds with some tweaking to the coolant system and BMS.
  2. Although a heat pump would be nice (and a common topic on this forum), it's not as big a deal as many claim. Still, it wouldn't be an unwelcome upgrade for those who often drive in colder climates.
 

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All of the stuff brought up in this thread and not one mention of adding a heat pump? Obviously different people have different wants/needs, but I'd take a heat pump for better heating/cooling efficiency before faster charging (but that's also because I almost never use L3 charging at this point).

I wouldn't expect a major refresh for at least another 2-3 years though.
A heat pump would help in cool weather, but I haven’t heard of any auto makers using one that actually works well once temperatures drop below freezing. I don’t know if Ford does much of the elaborate heat scavenging that you see in Teslas, but I suspect that there are worthwhile gains to be made there. If there’s a reasonable way to insulate the cabin and/or battery, those both seem like things that would help a lot. A more effectively insulated battery would need more active cooling in the summer, but I would gladly trade a bit of efficiency in the summer if it meant that the car wasn’t straining to keep the battery at temp in the winter.
 


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A heat pump would help in cool weather, but I haven’t heard of any auto makers using one that actually works well once temperatures drop below freezing. I don’t know if Ford does much of the elaborate heat scavenging that you see in Teslas, but I suspect that there are worthwhile gains to be made there. If there’s a reasonable way to insulate the cabin and/or battery, those both seem like things that would help a lot. A more effectively insulated battery would need more active cooling in the summer, but I would gladly trade a bit of efficiency in the summer if it meant that the car wasn’t straining to keep the battery at temp in the winter.
Newer heat pumps can easily and effectively heat the car down to 10 degrees F, although heat pumps provide a greater advantage when the temp is above 20 degrees F. That said, heat pumps do NOT make or break an EV design, and they matter even less when you precondition your car before leaving in the morning. I own one EV with a heat pump and one without, and the ownership experience is about the same w/r/t cabin heating and driving efficiency.
 

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I'm not sure that Ford needs to do a ton to the Mach E at this point. Range and efficiency are actually pretty decent. My short wish list for the Mach E would be based on some of my experiences with the other EV in our garage (BMW i4):
  1. More liberal protocols for DCFC speeds and battery cooling. The Mach E doesn't need 800V architecture; just a better BMS and charging curve. The i4 peaks at 210 kW and holds a pretty high charge rate beyond 50% SOC, despite having a smaller battery than the Mach E. If the Mach E could hold a 170-180 kW charge rate through 60%-70%, this would be an even better road tripping car. There's no reason the larger battery (99 kWh gross) couldn't handle higher charging speeds with some tweaking to the coolant system and BMS.
  2. Although a heat pump would be nice (and a common topic on this forum), it's not as big a deal as many claim. Still, it wouldn't be an unwelcome upgrade for those who often drive in colder climates.
I was going to add, Tesla has a 400V system on their popular Model 3 and Y and DCFC charge faster than 150kW.
 

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A heat pump would help in cool weather, but I haven’t heard of any auto makers using one that actually works well once temperatures drop below freezing. I don’t know if Ford does much of the elaborate heat scavenging that you see in Teslas, but I suspect that there are worthwhile gains to be made there. If there’s a reasonable way to insulate the cabin and/or battery, those both seem like things that would help a lot. A more effectively insulated battery would need more active cooling in the summer, but I would gladly trade a bit of efficiency in the summer if it meant that the car wasn’t straining to keep the battery at temp in the winter.
It's all how you use it. Heat pumps help significantly in motor heat scavenging. It could also scavenge battery heat while charging using less energy. Tesla's use of them yields results that aren't even in the same league as resistance heaters. Huge difference.

Heat pump used 75% of the energy while bringing the temp up 30+ degrees warmer starting at -20f.

 

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Ford, please stop with the 'special editions,' where the core of the car pretty much remains the same. The Mach-E needs a REAL update!

In evaluating the EV competition out there, the following are a few observations of mine.

With the Mach-E, @Ford Motor Company hit the mark on many aspects:
  • Driver-side and center screens
  • Wireless CarPlay/Android Auto
  • Generous frunk
  • $0 Interior color choices
  • Fair-priced paint options
But based on the competition and new laws, misses with:
  • 400v architecture, limited to ~150kW DCFC charging
  • Its infamous 'bouncy' ride (sheesh @Ford Motor Company, if MagnaRide is truly better, just include it in all Mach-Es!)
  • Ineligibility for IRA discounts when purchasing

The market has matured, and the competition (Hyundai/Kia/Genesis) now offers:
  • 800v charging architecture, allowing DCFC speeds up to 350kW
  • Greater efficiency: Up to 361 miles of range from a smaller battery pack
  • Much better ride quality

Where Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fail miserably is:
  • Wired CarPlay/Android Auto
  • Only the more expensive Genesis offers an interior color other than black
  • Small-to-tiny frunks

With my Ford Options term ending in January 2025, I've been tracking the EV landscape in search of an EV that has everything I'm looking for without spending more than I did on my 2021 Mach-E Premium Extended Range RWD. So far, it's slim pickings!

What do others think? The forthcoming new models that I've read about, such as the ID.7, still fail to hit the mark on many of these benchmarks/features.
That's a pretty good list. Heat pump as others have said seems like another no brainer.

The thing that folks are not talking about though, is weight reduction. They really need to cut the meat to the bone with regards to weight. That is something that Tesla is constantly doing - reducing weight everywhere (though admittedly at the cost of things like wiper stalks). Ford needs to have each department / supplier / etc. commit to lowering weight in their respective components. If they can get 200 lbs or more total from the car, it would increase the efficiency, although that might be a tough target.

The other thing would be to tweak the aero. Any and all lowering of the cD (especially along with weight reduction) will greatly increase highway range, which is where the Mach E suffers, particularly in winter. My guess would be, there's not much gain here to be had, but they need to squeeze the blood from the stone because the competition is. Just don't go so far it looks like a dead catfish :).
 

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That's a pretty good list. Heat pump as others have said seems like another no brainer.

The thing that folks are not talking about though, is weight reduction. They really need to cut the meat to the bone with regards to weight. That is something that Tesla is constantly doing - reducing weight everywhere (though admittedly at the cost of things like wiper stalks). Ford needs to have each department / supplier / etc. commit to lowering weight in their respective components. If they can get 200 lbs or more total from the car, it would increase the efficiency, although that might be a tough target.

The other thing would be to tweak the aero. Any and all lowering of the cD (especially along with weight reduction) will greatly increase highway range, which is where the Mach E suffers, particularly in winter. My guess would be, there's not much gain here to be had, but they need to squeeze the blood from the stone because the competition is. Just don't go so far it looks like a dead catfish :).
Weight for sure is the enemy but it’s also a double edged sword.

Less weight can be a result of using thinner/cheaper metals, less sound deadening etc.

I wouldn’t want to lose quality in the name of weight loss.

Cd is the same. I wouldn’t want to sacrifice looks for efficiency. Lower is better as long as you can make it look good.
 

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Where Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fail miserably is:
  • Wired CarPlay/Android Auto
  • Only the more expensive Genesis offers an interior color other than black
  • Small-to-tiny frunks
btw, the new Kia EV 9 has wireless CarPlay. So obviously, they have perfected that technology and most likely will be employing it in their new cars going forward.
 

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Anyone waiting on new battery tech is delusional. It’s 2 car purchases away. Minimum.
 

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Anyone waiting on new battery tech is delusional. It’s 2 car purchases away. Minimum.
Yeah I'm not confident the magical solves-every-problem solid state battery arrives on the scene within the next decade at least maybe two or more.

If folks are not happy with today's battery tech, they should just look elsewhere until the 2030s.

Tesla's 4680's are a prime testament to how hard it is to progress cell technology, even for what is essentially just tweaking existing manufacturing.
 

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I wonder if they will adopt the 48 volt system that Tesla shipped them?
 

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Ford, please stop with the 'special editions,' where the core of the car pretty much remains the same. The Mach-E needs a REAL update!

In evaluating the EV competition out there, the following are a few observations of mine.

With the Mach-E, @Ford Motor Company hit the mark on many aspects:
  • Driver-side and center screens
  • Wireless CarPlay/Android Auto
  • Generous frunk
  • $0 Interior color choices
  • Fair-priced paint options
But based on the competition and new laws, misses with:
  • 400v architecture, limited to ~150kW DCFC charging
  • Its infamous 'bouncy' ride (sheesh @Ford Motor Company, if MagnaRide is truly better, just include it in all Mach-Es!)
  • Ineligibility for IRA discounts when purchasing

The market has matured, and the competition (Hyundai/Kia/Genesis) now offers:
  • 800v charging architecture, allowing DCFC speeds up to 350kW
  • Greater efficiency: Up to 361 miles of range from a smaller battery pack
  • Much better ride quality

Where Hyundai/Kia/Genesis fail miserably is:
  • Wired CarPlay/Android Auto
  • Only the more expensive Genesis offers an interior color other than black
  • Small-to-tiny frunks

With my Ford Options term ending in January 2025, I've been tracking the EV landscape in search of an EV that has everything I'm looking for without spending more than I did on my 2021 Mach-E Premium Extended Range RWD. So far, it's slim pickings!

What do others think? The forthcoming new models that I've read about, such as the ID.7, still fail to hit the mark on many of these benchmarks/features.
Luckily I am really happy with my Mach e GTPE. It is just what I expected. I am retired and charge at home and drive my Maverick if I am going farther than 200 miles round trip. The public has realized that an EV with the current infrastructure is not a good option if it’s your go to work car. It will be 2026 or 27 before we make a dent in charger availability and battery development. All EV sales have fallen off a cliff because everyone that can currently use one has one and some people that bought one will go back to ICE because the current state of EV infrastructure will not support their lifestyle. Don’t expect any of the auto companies to throw much development money at EV’s until the market to sell them improves greatly.
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