The model Y still has the edge for me....

[Davegvg]

I like the Mach Es looks, interior and paint, but it has its own fit and finish problems I'm surprised and disappointed by.

I like CarPlay in my honda and giving it up would be a bummer in a Y.

Early code seems to have some fairly serious bugs

It also seems that its OTA update "depth" isnt as comprehensive and Im finding TSB's that require trips back to the dealer at a higher rate than Telsas require a shop or mobil visit.

Ford having a dealer network isnt a plus for me as from a service perspective they all dont actually know the car, and dealing with them has historically been not a pleasant experience (SHO, lightning, F150 ecoboost) I dealt with dealer markup in some form or another on every vehicle. Although my kids Focus did not, I consider that a lower end purchase than my own but that brings up the experience with Focus and its power shift trans was absolutely terrible.

The big thing for me is really the door to door time on long trips. According to a better route planner both rides have me to stop three times on my standard trip, Normally Ill stop twice in an ICE vehicle about 15 minutes a stop- long enough to fill up, bio break, and eat a snack.

If a better route planner is to be believed - The model Y has it full on beat here adding 32 minutes to the teslas charging time. The mach E's long trip charging curve is decidedly inferior.

Basically the Model Y adds about a half an hour on top of my ice trip, and the Mach E about an hour.

Left is Mach E, right is Model Y same source and destination - both arrive at the destination with a 75% charge

Mach E stops - 30 min, 27 min, 40 min
Model Y stops- 23 min, 15 min, 27 min

The EA network is also more expense by about the price of a cheap lunch.

Im surprised after all this time th Ford finds itself behind in this critical arena.

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[JohnnyForensic]

I like the Mach Es looks, interior and paint, but it has its own fit and finish problems I'm surprised and disappointed by.

I like CarPlay in my honda and giving it up would be a bummer.

Early code seems to have some fairly serious bugs

It also seems that its OTA update "depth" isnt as comprehensive and Im finding TSB's that require trips back to the dealer at a higher rate than Telsas require a shop or mobil visit.

Ford having a dealer network isnt a plus for me as from a service perspective they all dont actually know the car, and dealing with them has historically been not a pleasant experience (SHO, lightning, F150 ecoboost) I dealt with dealer markup in some form or another on every vehicle. Although my kids Focus did not, I consider that a lower end purchase than my own but that brings up the experience with Focus and its power shift trans was absolutely terrible.

The big thing for me is really the door to door time on long trips. According to a better route planner both rides have me to stop three times on my standard trip, Normally Ill stop twice in an ICE vehicle about 15 minutes a stop- long enough to fill up, bio break, and eat a snack.

If a better route planner is to be believed - The model Y has it full on beat here adding 32 minutes to the teslas charging time. The mach E's long trip charging curve is decidedly inferior.

Basically the Model Y adds about a half an hour on top of my ice trip, and the Mach E about an hour.

Left is Mach E, right is Model Y same source and destination - both arrive at the destination with a 75% charge

Mach E stops - 30 min, 27 min, 40 min
Model Y stops- 23 min, 15 min, 27 min

The EA network is also more expense by about the price of a cheap lunch.

Im surprised after all this time th Ford finds itself behind in this critical arena.

Out of curiosity, what is "all this time?" The first Mach-Es dropped only a couple of months ago, and many are still waiting to be delivered. Tesla has worked out the charging over the last ten years, and for four months out of the gate, I think Ford's doing pretty well. Sure, there are a lot of issues, but considering this is the first real EV push from them, I think they're more ahead than they are behind.

 

[physib]

OTA: Tesla is better for sure. Time will tell if Ford will catch up. They strongly implied that they will, and that the existing OTAs aren't exactly close to the scale they planned. Yet.

Charging: Tesla stations are much more reliable atm. But I believe the route planner isn't accurate. I have watched videos on road trips between these two, and the Mach E is at least on par.

 

[Davegvg]

Out of curiosity, what is "all this time?" The first Mach-Es dropped only a couple of months ago, and many are still waiting to be delivered. Tesla has worked out the charging over the last ten years, and for four months out of the gate, I think Ford's doing pretty well. Sure, there are a lot of issues, but considering this is the first real EV push from them, I think they're more ahead than they are behind.

....all this time as in Ford is a decade late to the market.

 

[Davegvg]

OTA: Tesla is better for sure. Time will tell if Ford will catch up. They strongly implied that they will, and that the existing OTAs aren't exactly close to the scale they planned. Yet.

Charging: Tesla stations are much more reliable atm. But I believe the route planner isn't accurate. I have watched videos on road trips between these two, and the Mach E is at least on par.

Can you point me to these to look at?

With a 100KW deficit, and the mach e sustaining 150 for a minute or so the Tesla looks to be running away with the 10-75% time.

 

[krafty81]

Give up Car Play? MME has Car Play. Also AM radio, which Tesla does not.

 

[The Electric Duo]

I like the Mach Es looks, interior and paint, but it has its own fit and finish problems I'm surprised and disappointed by.

I like CarPlay in my honda and giving it up would be a bummer.

Early code seems to have some fairly serious bugs

It also seems that its OTA update "depth" isnt as comprehensive and Im finding TSB's that require trips back to the dealer at a higher rate than Telsas require a shop or mobil visit.

Ford having a dealer network isnt a plus for me as from a service perspective they all dont actually know the car, and dealing with them has historically been not a pleasant experience (SHO, lightning, F150 ecoboost) I dealt with dealer markup in some form or another on every vehicle. Although my kids Focus did not, I consider that a lower end purchase than my own but that brings up the experience with Focus and its power shift trans was absolutely terrible.

The big thing for me is really the door to door time on long trips. According to a better route planner both rides have me to stop three times on my standard trip, Normally Ill stop twice in an ICE vehicle about 15 minutes a stop- long enough to fill up, bio break, and eat a snack.

If a better route planner is to be believed - The model Y has it full on beat here adding 32 minutes to the teslas charging time. The mach E's long trip charging curve is decidedly inferior.

Basically the Model Y adds about a half an hour on top of my ice trip, and the Mach E about an hour.

Left is Mach E, right is Model Y same source and destination - both arrive at the destination with a 75% charge

Mach E stops - 30 min, 27 min, 40 min
Model Y stops- 23 min, 15 min, 27 min

The EA network is also more expense by about the price of a cheap lunch.

Im surprised after all this time th Ford finds itself behind in this critical arena.

You should note that ABRP is using estimated "alpha" data for the Mach-E. When I've tested it, it underestimates the Mach-E efficiency and over estimates the charging time.

And in the end it didn't matter On my last trip if my lunch stop was 17 minutes or 25 minutes. I went and got something to eat and took a bathroom break. I ended up charging for about 45 minutes.

 

[Davegvg]

You should note that ABRP is using estimated "alpha" data for the Mach-E. When I've tested it, it underestimates the Mach-E efficiency and over estimates the charging time.

And in the end it didn't matter On my last trip if my lunch stop was 17 minutes or 25 minutes. I went and got something to eat and took a bathroom break. I ended up charging for about 45 minutes.

I understand, they got the efficiency profiles from somewhere and have been pretty good at staying on top of reported curves.

Do you know of another 3rd party tool that will allow comparison of the two?

 

[Davegvg]

Give up Car Play? MME has Car Play. Also AM radio, which Tesla does not.

Agreed - I worded the car play piece poorly - Im aware MM has it and Y not - corrected the wording.

AM radio I could care less about. I can basically get radio multiple places.

Curious does either have HD FM radio?

 

[Davegvg]

I'm willing to spend extra time, but large deltas will sway me away from one or the other.

 

[Jimrpa]

It sounds like you’ve done your evaluation based on the criteria you believe are important to you and have settled on the vehicle that you believe will best suit your needs. I sincerely with you many miles of happy, trouble free driving with the Tesla. They have a lot of happy, very loyal customers.

 

[Jimrpa]

Agreed - I worded the car play piece poorly - Im aware MM has it and Y not - corrected the wording.

AM radio I could care less about. I can basically get radio multiple places.

Curious does either have HD FM radio?

The Mustang Mach E has FM HD radio and I use it.

 

[trutolife27]

I like the Mach Es looks, interior and paint, but it has its own fit and finish problems I'm surprised and disappointed by.

I like CarPlay in my honda and giving it up would be a bummer in a Y.

Early code seems to have some fairly serious bugs

It also seems that its OTA update "depth" isnt as comprehensive and Im finding TSB's that require trips back to the dealer at a higher rate than Telsas require a shop or mobil visit.

Ford having a dealer network isnt a plus for me as from a service perspective they all dont actually know the car, and dealing with them has historically been not a pleasant experience (SHO, lightning, F150 ecoboost) I dealt with dealer markup in some form or another on every vehicle. Although my kids Focus did not, I consider that a lower end purchase than my own but that brings up the experience with Focus and its power shift trans was absolutely terrible.

The big thing for me is really the door to door time on long trips. According to a better route planner both rides have me to stop three times on my standard trip, Normally Ill stop twice in an ICE vehicle about 15 minutes a stop- long enough to fill up, bio break, and eat a snack.

If a better route planner is to be believed - The model Y has it full on beat here adding 32 minutes to the teslas charging time. The mach E's long trip charging curve is decidedly inferior.

Basically the Model Y adds about a half an hour on top of my ice trip, and the Mach E about an hour.

Left is Mach E, right is Model Y same source and destination - both arrive at the destination with a 75% charge

Mach E stops - 30 min, 27 min, 40 min
Model Y stops- 23 min, 15 min, 27 min

The EA network is also more expense by about the price of a cheap lunch.

Im surprised after all this time th Ford finds itself behind in this critical arena.

A better route planner is really just an estimate. You also need to take into effect the mache awd ext gets close to its range than the model y does. SO take Edmonds range test or the many others that are on youtube and if the mache outdoes the model y your trip the stop times are going to be closer than you think. Seen this first hand.

Can the model y charge faster than the mache right now? yes, it can. Will it always? don't know more updates the mache will be coming.

One other point is also there is more traffic at the tesla charging stations in Cali than EA now. You could stop and have to wait for mintues to charge while the mache is charge and done.

to me, if it was 30 minutes longer to charge on that road trip I would still choose the car I like better for 30 minutes of time. It's not a major deal.

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