The only thing Tesla has over Mach-E

[Pioneer898]

As far as games and apps, the only one I'm jealous of is Spotify. I live in a small town, I will use navigation maybe twice a year. All I really want from my infotainment system is music, and having the connectivity package and a built-in Spotify app would be perfect. No need to bother with CarPlay or anything unless I want to.

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[tobiasjef]

I must have misunderstood you when you said:

I interpreted that to mean that you were saying that Tesla’s LVBs could never be discharged to the point that they could no longer provide any useful energy (which to me, made no sense ?‍).

I said that lithium ion batteries can be discharged low with no detrimental effects on them that would prevent you from recharging them again and using them.

And the relative self discharge of a lithium ion battery is low whereas lead acid batteries lose a lot of charge relatively quickly.

 

[tobiasjef]

price is a big one for tesla. Look at the current model Y. You can pick one up for $38K with $7500 tax credit from tesla inventory right now.

This is for dual motor AWD. The comparable mach e LR eAWD is 43,285 after an $8000 incentive.

That 38K model Y would be something like $36K if it were not for a paint upgrade and white interior

Pretty sure at one point I saw model Ys for 33K miles for the RWD model which has 337 miles of range.

 

[Snakebitten]

I said that lithium ion batteries can be discharged low with no detrimental effects on them that would prevent you from recharging them again and using them.

And the relative self discharge of a lithium ion battery is low whereas lead acid batteries lose a lot of charge relatively quickly.

I understood what you meant the first time. And I also had reason to believe what you were saying as being true, since I swapped my factory/oem auxiliary AGM in my 2022 F150 for a cheap, similarly sized LFP as the auxiliary battery.
In that F150 Hybrid, the auxiliary battery is connected in parallel to the main underhood AGM. It's purpose is to momentarily power all the electronics onboard (42 modules) on the occasion that the PCM calls for the ICE to be started up using the conventional 12V bendix-flywheel starter. That starting event is described as a high amperage event and Ford decided to isolate the entire 12V bus from the underhood AGM and 12V starter for that momentary event, and succeeds by isolating the 12V bus, along with electronics, and thus powering from the little (7AH)AGM.

The F150 Powerboost (Hybrid) suffers from similar low voltage SOC shortcomings. Like the Mach-E and Tesla, the truck has a lot of connected services and features that are triggered by approach. And a dead or low SOC 12V battery(s) can wreak havov. Triggering a multitude of errors and malfunctions.

Another fella on the Gen14 F150 forum did some mad scientist testing, and swapped the auxiliary AGM for the LFP. The auxiliary battery is in the cabin, under the rear passenger seat. The swap is not complicated. I watched everything he reported and the only concern there appeared to be was for those that might live in extreme cold climates, due to the lack of thermal management of the cheap little LFP.

I did the swap myself. And I monitor the 12V bus with a voltmeter that logs voltage 24/7/365. The app even plots it.

The result compared to the AGM? Absolutely amazing. The very same circumstances that resulted in substantial lowering of the "SOC" seen by the Ford BCM, are now completely stable. And it appears the voltage "headroom" available to the truck now exceeds the ordinary consumption. In fact, the truck can sit unused for days and the static/resting voltage loses less than 0.02V per day.

I'm seriously considering paralleling the same little LFP to the Mach-E H3 AGM. The BMS is obviously taylored for AGM, and that's fine. But the testing in the truck is very promising and there's a simple trick to get the DC/DC converter to raise the voltage output to what the LFP is hungry for in order to keep it "topped off". From what I understand, the Mach-E responds to the same HVAC setting that triggers the 14.XV output.

The little LFP only needs a few miles of that DC/DC converter output before getting home from the office.

Sorry about the novel, but your posts regarding the Tesla LV battery had me saying to myself "I bet that did make a big difference".

I'm absolutely NOT a Mach-E basher. In fact, I'm smitten by the GTPE. At just short of my first year of ownership, I'm thrilled with it every time I fire it up.

Having said that, I have great respect for Tesla engineering, as well as the disruption in the industry worldwide that Tesla caused. But I have to be emotionally stirred too. It's obvious to me that I'm NOT the target for anything Tesla has built so far. ?
Subjective admittedly, but they are WAY too sterile. The sex appeal of a kitchen appliance. But I am so glad they exist or the GTPE wouldn't. (my personal opinion)

 

[User100723]

My ONLY hesitation about Lucid is that they’re owned by the Saudis. First, why should I pay them for a car when I don’t even want to buy oil from them. Second, I have serious moral issues with them.

Well, that and the fact that they never seemed to have achieved long-term confidence and stability anywhere near Rivian, considering the fact that Rivian seems be the only startup besides Tesla that’s doing fine corporately-speaking after all these years in spite of many hiccups and stuff. If Tesla service is difficult outside of California and the big cities, and we’re having trouble servicing our cars in spite of a well established nationwide presence of dealer networks, I can’t imagine servicing something like a Lucid in today’s environment, let alone later on if the company were to disappear for one reason or another.

A shame really, as it’s a very fine car with world-class engineering, well-regarded build quality, latest technology like Dolby Atmos, CarPlay, only small EV I know of to break the 450+ miles range barrier, among many other positives. The air in particular is one of the most spacious sedans I’ve ever encountered, both the frunk and trunk are massive!

but alas, it’s only reserved for the ultra rich who can easily dispose of it without financial risk if the company went down and the car kaput. They could restomod it into their ever-growing collection of the unobtainable… or literally pay a company to engineer it into something completely different, exactly the way they imagine it!

This is an old article, and at the time they were speculating (correctly). But it gives pics and has a slider where you can directly compare the difference.

https://electrek.co/2020/08/23/tesla-updates-model-3-frunk/

Thanks, guess it wasn’t as noteworthy of a difference as it was in the Mustang Mach E, so I somehow missed it.

also dat author literally clamoring for a heat pump in place of a more usable frunk… aaaarrrrgh!!!

 

[Mr3Putts]

I'm supposed to be picking up my new MME this weekend and after reading all 10 pages of this thread I'm starting to have second thoughts

 

[SanCarlosJeff]

I'm supposed to be picking up my new MME this weekend and after reading all 10 pages of this thread I'm starting to have second thoughts

The MME is a great car that still has room for improvement. You won't regret it.

 

[tobiasjef]

I'm supposed to be picking up my new MME this weekend and after reading all 10 pages of this thread I'm starting to have second thoughts

Depends if you need a car right now and what you are paying. The model Y refresh comes out soon and is arguably a better car if you don't mind getting a tesla

you can also look at the deals for ioniq5 and see if those look any better. ioniq 5 looks cool and has fast charging

 

[MachhE-CT]

On the MME wipers aren’t on rain sense mode unless I turn turn turn them on, it’s a simple matter to put the car in neutral, keep the fob in the car and it won’t lock not sure what else I need for a car wash

 

[fkyct]

I'm supposed to be picking up my new MME this weekend and after reading all 10 pages of this thread I'm starting to have second thoughts

Same here. I was at dealership today negotiating. We have 2 Model Ys and were considering swapping one for MME.

After reading this thread, which has a wealth of knowledge, we have second thoughts. We are familiar with Ford EV tech since we also have a Ford Lightning. The Lightning rides like a dream and is so easy to get in an out of compared to a MME.

The reason we were looking is that we have become embarrassed diving our Tesla due to what we perceive and recent crazy DOGE actions.

Driving my Tesla back from the dealership I realized how much I enjoy the handling, comfort and the tech features of our Model Y. Plus I'm a older and bigger guy and getting into the MME was not as easy as the Tesla.

Plus the dogs will miss the Dog Mode.

 

[SonicBlue]

The reason we were looking is that we have become embarrassed diving our Tesla due to what we perceive and recent crazy DOGE actions.

Driving my Tesla back from the dealership I realized how much I enjoy the handling, comfort and the tech features of our Model Y. Plus I'm an older and bigger guy and getting into the MME was not as easy as the Tesla.

LOL. Live by the virtue signaling, die by the virtue signaling I suppose. The Germans have a perfect word for this: Schadenfreude. Swapping a car for politics, oh my.

Anyway, yes, the MME’s door sill is slightly more tapered requiring one to duck a little more on entry. But handling? The MY handles like a dead fish and the steering wheel is noticeably smaller.

 

[SonicBlue]

By the way, all: there’s a poll and thread dedicated to requested software enhancements. Including pet mode.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/2025-the-super-poll-is-back.42013

 

[EV Wonder]

And a significantly larger frunk. Ford replaced the nice frunk with a fairly useless nano-frunk for 2025 ?

Does anyone have an actual picture of the 2025 frunk? Just curious as to its size.

 

[Jimrpa]

Does anyone have an actual picture of the 2025 frunk? Just curious as to its size.

There are pictures floating around (including on here). I’m too lazy to search.

 

[markboris]

Here you go:

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