Update on Mach-E launch progress from engineering friends in Mexico

[SD_Solar]

And underpayment penalties often don't even happen if it's a one-year blip. If you've paid in as much as your tax liability for the previous year, there's no penalty.

Yep, that exception has saved me from having to pay the underpayment penalty several times.

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[methorian]

As far as I've learned. Upping withholding is better because the worksheet for figuring out penalty doesn't scrutinize the timing of withholdings. But you'll need to pay penalty if you under withhold throughout the year, and then make an estimated payment for Q4 to make up.

However, I've also been told that it is illegal to deliberately under withhold throughout the year, and then compensate by upping the withholding significantly toward year end.

I'm not a lawyer, not an accountant. YMMV.

I've heard/seen such things as well. All I can do now is do what I can (up withholdings/make a payment) and hope for the best! My mistake for trying to "play the system" if you will...

 

[dbsb3233]

As far as I've learned. Upping withholding is better because the worksheet for figuring out penalty doesn't scrutinize the timing of withholdings. But you'll need to pay penalty if you under withhold throughout the year, and then make an estimated payment for Q4 to make up.

However, I've also been told that it is illegal to deliberately under withhold throughout the year, and then compensate by upping the withholding significantly toward year end.

I'm not a lawyer, not an accountant. YMMV.

I don't think it's illegal per se, but yeah, you can be penalized for underpayment, and it does look at each quarter. So yes, if there's a huge underpayment and you just try to make up for it with a 4Q payment, there can still be a penalty for being so short in earlier quarters. Of course, the easy remedy for that is just make 3Q and 4Q payments.

The 3Q payment deadline is Sep 15. 4Q is Jan 15.

 

[Shayne]

The lots will be full of Mache down at the plant.

Can you have your buddy send a few current pics of that lot?

 

[RonTCat]

Both @trutolife27's source in Cuautitlan and mine have said QC is going to be extremely high of the Mustang Mach E. I expect they will be doing everything they can to make sure the first deliveries are as high a quality as they can. My source said this is the pickiest plant Ford operates.

Subsequently, @trutolife27's source said:


That said, I fully expect after MMEs have been on the road Ford will find something sufficiently amiss to order a recall that will add a bracket here, replace a strap there, or something. These sorts of thing only happen after cars are on the road and don't limit themselves to first year vehicles. The great thing about OTA is lots of fixes can happen with little inconvenience on our part.

Build quality will be above average. The rear hatch is very unique, can't wait to see how it comes out.

OTA will be an adventure. Tesla is clearly the OTA leader, and even they don't get OTA quite right. The first service bulletin will prolly be for an OTA patch, lol.

 

[RonTCat]

I remember a few years ago buying a first year new hybrid Lincoln model, and it sat in Mexico on a lot at least for a month, maybe two, waiting for various things to happen including the EPA inspections, which seemed to be the biggest hold up. Then finally the train ride across the country (which I was able to stalk) and to the dealer. I hope that situation has become smoother since then.

Except as has been stated previously that is not the case.


Note sure about EPA but I'm fairly confident crash test ratings don't have to happen before customers can buy the car.

EPA cert for ICE vehicles doesn't have to be completed to produce vehicles, but if you release (sell) them before approval and you fail cert, instant recall. Not much risk here, as you are just doing range tests.

Crash has to be completed to sell in the US. FMVSS requirement. Not sure about other regions, likely the same in the EU, China, South America, Middle East, Australia, etc.

 

[zhackwyatt]

EPA cert for ICE vehicles doesn't have to be completed to produce vehicles, but if you release (sell) them before approval and you fail cert, instant recall. Not much risk here, as you are just doing range tests.

Crash has to be completed to sell in the US. FMVSS requirement. Not sure about other regions, likely the same in the EU, China, South America, Middle East, Australia, etc.

Ok I stand corrected then. For some reason I thought when I got my C-Max it wasn't crash tested, or maybe the results just weren't publically known at the point.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Ok I stand corrected then. For some reason I thought when I got my C-Max it wasn't crash tested, or maybe the results just weren't publically known at the point.

Maybe they just expected you to test it for them?

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

Maybe they just expected you to test it for them?

That's a hell of a non-repeatable integration test. I don't think it would pass DevOps muster.

 

[timbop]

That's a hell of a non-repeatable integration test. I don't think it would pass DevOps muster.

https://media.makeameme.org/created/i-dont-test-5b2ab1.jpg

 

[agoldman]

Maybe they just expected you to test it for them?

ouch..

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

ouch..

a large enough ouch would in fact be a failed test.

 

[Regularmache]

I'm just as anxious as all of you, but i do not want my Mach-E to have any of the launch issues that made headlines on the newest Explorer and Aviator. I know the chicago factory was pushed and had allot of challenges to overcome with an all new platform, but still, it was a PR nightmare for Ford and Lincoln and some owners were really disappointed and still others said they'll never buy another FMCo vehicle again. I'd rather have slow and high quality if that's what it takes. Ford had to ship Explorers and Aviators to Michigan right after they came off the assembly line in Chicago to fix numerous issues that could have been avoided. I was on that investor call and while Ford Mgt. gave numerous reasons for the launch problems it was obvious they were very embarrassed over the whole thing. So for me, Do it right the first time even if it takes more time.

 

[KAustin]

I'm just as anxious as all of you, but i do not want my Mach-E to have any of the launch issues that made headlines on the newest Explorer and Aviator. I know the chicago factory was pushed and had allot of challenges to overcome with an all new platform, but still, it was a PR nightmare for Ford and Lincoln and some owners were really disappointed and still others said they'll never buy another FMCo vehicle again. I'd rather have slow and high quality if that's what it takes. Ford had to shipped Explorers and Aviators to Michigan right after they came off the assembly line in Chicago to fix numerous issues that could have been avoided. i was on that investor call and while Ford Mgt. gave numerous reasons for the launch problems but it was obvious they were very embarrassed over the whole thing. So for me, Do it right the first time even if it takes more time.

Another reason why this process is taking longer. They definitely do not want to have to explain that again.

 

[trutolife27]

I'm just as anxious as all of you, but i do not want my Mach-E to have any of the launch issues that made headlines on the newest Explorer and Aviator. I know the chicago factory was pushed and had allot of challenges to overcome with an all new platform, but still, it was a PR nightmare for Ford and Lincoln and some owners were really disappointed and still others said they'll never buy another FMCo vehicle again. I'd rather have slow and high quality if that's what it takes. Ford had to ship Explorers and Aviators to Michigan right after they came off the assembly line in Chicago to fix numerous issues that could have been avoided. I was on that investor call and while Ford Mgt. gave numerous reasons for the launch problems it was obvious they were very embarrassed over the whole thing. So for me, Do it right the first time even if it takes more time.

The explorer launch was bad. The vehicle was rushed and instead of having more downtime after pp1 phase they went ahead with the tesla mind set we can fix it later.

Units of the explorer had being shipped without the front bumper even on the unit. Put it on at the dealership when the right one came in.There was a problem with the exhaust. To many problems to list but now they are fix.

That is why the Ford ranger, bronco, mache and so on are not being rushed nore they was.. VW is having a major problem with their software for their EV market. GM and honda are having cut shifts and production across the world. They don't have the employees back from covid yet.
Toyota is still trying to stop the bleeding.

I know the Mache cost is upwards of 60,000. For some spending that money is a stretch. For others they can afford easy. My point on this is this. Jaguar and other high name companies (Mercedes, BMW )the list goes on and on repair cost are crazy high.

People need to remember the cost of repairs and the parts. Yes the EV vehicle has less parts then a ice vehicle. But repairs on jaguar will cost double if not triple compared to ford or tesla. Have to remember those things when you choose. I'm sure many of you people in here have heard of repair horror stories of certain models cost. The polestar 2, man if that car breaks down think about the cost and how long to repair.

Ford has a dealer network here that others do not. Even your leader at Tesla said anyone of the big "three" will have a major advance with repairs time in the market.


It has been a blessing in disguise with the fact the Mache is being built in mexico. The workers came back right away after covid 19 and they are ready to go. That is not the case in the rest of the world. No loss of production do to employees that is amazing.

The mache initial launch was late 2020, November and December. Now it might take a month more maybe 2. Not delayed months or even a year like other models.

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