UPDATED: Replacing Rear Shocks: Reducing the rear end bounce.

[markboris]

Why “never luxury?”

I get that options don’t exist yet. But the only real difference between the ride in my Mach E and the ride in my wife’s “luxury” Lincoln Aviator are the shocks and springs.

I would bet dollars to doughnuts that 90+ percent of the non-GT Mach E drivers would swap their suspension for how the Aviator rides if they could.

Even the base suspension in my wife’s Aviator is like riding on a cloud compared to whisper on my GTPE.

It handles like a boat, but she for sure doesn’t care..

As Erik said in his post #283 we don't have the travel in the Mach-E suspension like you have in the Aviator. The Mach-E can never ever have a smooth, soft, luxury ride. Ever.

You have mentioned several times in several threads how smooth your Aviator is and I completely agree but you cannot just take a suspension in one car and put it in another. The suspension geometries are completely different. Your Aviator rear shocks are 4" taller and have 3.5" more travel than the Mach-E shocks. Not to mention the springs are taller and softer. In order for the Mach-E to ride like your car with those springs and shocks, it would need to have at least 4" more suspension travel and the car would have to be taller. Your Aviator is 6" taller than the Mach-E. The Mach-E has an extremely short suspension travel for the weight it is carrying so it needs to have very stiff springs which it does. However the shocks are not damped enough for the stiff springs and that is what we are working on.

I just spent 6 hours online pouring over all manufacturer shock specs again to see if I can get something that is a bit closer in dimensions so as not to have to use any extra parts or less. I've found three more I ordered and will try but I think the ones we are running with right now might be the only ones until someone comes out with a shock and when they do, it HAS TO BE ADJUSTABLE. Any old KYB, Bilstein, Koni, etc will not work. If the shock is not adjustable, it will not solve our bounce problem. And also as Eric mentioned, there is no hope for the front at all. Nobody makes a strut that will work unless we want to start welding brackets on to to generic ones.

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[VegStang]

Now that I’ve taken over the car from my spouse and she has a new C40 the poorer ride in the MME has become more of an issue. I cannot thank you guys enough for presenting, researching and making sure we will be able to improve the ride in this car. This will be the first thing on my to-do list once I get ford to fix my software. This is an invaluable thread.

 

[markboris]

Now that I’ve taken over the car from my spouse and she has a new C40 the poorer ride in the Mach-E has become more of an issue. I cannot thank you guys enough for presenting, researching and making sure we will be able to improve the ride in this car. This will be the first thing on my to-do list once I get ford to fix my software. This is an invaluable thread.

Believe me, we are trying but it takes time. While I am retired, I travel a lot and not home about 1/3 of the time. The others helping me all have full time jobs so not like we are working on this every minute but I know between Erik, Anton and myself we have put a lot of time into it.

 

[azerik]

The Aviator has 30mm (1.2 inches) more sidewall than the premium's 19s as well (19 to 19 inch rim compares).

 

[Mach1E]

As Erik said in his post #283 we don't have the travel in the Mach-E suspension like you have in the Aviator. The Mach-E can never ever have a smooth, soft, luxury ride. Ever.

You have mentioned several times in several threads how smooth your Aviator is and I completely agree but you cannot just take a suspension in one car and put it in another. The suspension geometries are completely different. Your Aviator rear shocks are 4" taller and have 3.5" more travel than the Mach-E shocks. Not to mention the springs are taller and softer. In order for the Mach-E to ride like your car with those springs and shocks, it would need to have at least 4" more suspension travel and the car would have to be taller. Your Aviator is 6" taller than the Mach-E. The Mach-E has an extremely short suspension travel for the weight it is carrying so it needs to have very stiff springs which it does. However the shocks are not damped enough for the stiff springs and that is what we are working on.

I just spent 6 hours online pouring over all manufacturer shock specs again to see if I can get something that is a bit closer in dimensions so as not to have to use any extra parts or less. I've found three more I ordered and will try but I think the ones we are running with right now might be the only ones until someone comes out with a shock and when they do, it HAS TO BE ADJUSTABLE. Any old KYB, Bilstein, Koni, etc will not work. If the shock is not adjustable, it will not solve our bounce problem. And also as Eric mentioned, there is no hope for the front at all. Nobody makes a strut that will work unless we want to start welding brackets on to to generic ones.

I appreciate the time and thought you’re putting into this.

So what I’m hearing then is still not “impossible.”

We just need a 4” suspension lift kit to turn this into a “real luxury SUV!” ?

Only kinda kidding. Because that in theory could be done. The lack of travel makes total sense along with our lack of ground clearance and short stature.

 

[Mach1E]

The 2.5 inches of travel the Premium has, the 2.1 inches of travel the GT has vs your Lincoln with probably close to 6 inches and air or magnaride. Not even close to possible to create suspension travel where it can't exist. Remove the battery and you can double the length of the a-arms and get your plush suspension. But the way this was designed it doesn't have the geometry required for it. We have less suspension travel than an 80's go-kart and the weight of carrying a pair of jet ski's in a Camry.

We're in the range of a firmly riding Civic, at best.

FWIW, she doesn’t have the air nor mag ride. Just the base regular shock suspension. But the travel difference definitely makes sense on why we are so limited.

Time to go to the junkyard to look for an old Mercedes S600 sedan we can steal the suspension from!

Edit: a lifted suspension is definitely possible:
https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...fted-disguised-suspension-raptor-mach-e.8147/

 

[azerik]

We just need a 4” suspension lift kit to turn this into a “real luxury SUV!” ?

I'm working on it

 

[mkhuffman]

And also as Eric mentioned, there is no hope for the front at all. Nobody makes a strut that will work unless we want to start welding brackets on to to generic ones.

Sad face. ?

 

[phil]

Now that I’ve taken over the car from my spouse and she has a new C40 the poorer ride in the MME has become more of an issue.

 

[JoeDimwit]

Why “never luxury?”

I get that options don’t exist yet. But the only real difference between the ride in my Mach E and the ride in my wife’s “luxury” Lincoln Aviator are the shocks and springs.

I would bet dollars to doughnuts that 90+ percent of the non-GT Mach E drivers would swap their suspension for how the Aviator rides if they could.

Even the base suspension in my wife’s Aviator is like riding on a cloud compared to whisper on my GTPE.

It handles like a boat, but she for sure doesn’t care..

And I’m the loon (I’m not saying you said that, but in general) for saying the Mach-E is #NotAMustang. Mustangs don’t resemble Lincoln’s in the ride quality department.

 

[Mach1E]

And I’m the loon (I’m not saying you said that, but in general) for saying the Mach-E is #NotAMustang. Mustangs don’t resemble Lincoln’s in the ride quality department.

For sure.

But isn’t a “Lincoln version” of the Mach E on the planning table still? Can’t make a Lincoln without a Lincoln ride quality.

 

[azerik]

There is a electric Lincoln already. Probably on the MEB platform.

 

[HuntingPudel]

My MME seems to have a super-luxury ride to me. Not as smooth as my monster Coped de Ville, but sooo smooth compared to the K/5 and the T/A. ?‍?

 

[markboris]

For sure.

But isn’t a “Lincoln version” of the Mach E on the planning table still? Can’t make a Lincoln without a Lincoln ride quality.

I for one cannot wait for the Lincoln version. I would think it will be based off the Mach-E but I've never been able to find any hard specs on the Lincoln Star yet. While I am sure it will be a better riding car then the Mach-E, I highly doubt it will be an Aviator ride but maybe they can get close if raised up a bit which is entirely possible.

If you want to start going down the path for a better ride, the first thing you want to do is change out those OEM tires. If you are staying with your OEM GTPE wheels, go up one size to 255/45/20 and run a max tire pressure of 36 psi which will keep the load rating Ford recommends for the Mach-E.

For an all season tire my recommendation would be to stick with an ultra high performance all season beings I assumed you bought the GTPE for performance. The least expensive and really good Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 Plus is an all around great tire. For an EV specific designed UHP All season, there is only one manufacturer at this time that makes one and that is the Pirelli P Zero All Season. I happened to be running those on the front of my car right now and they are probably one of the quietest, smoothest riding UHP A/S tire I have tested so far. Pirelli has two, however, they are extremely expensive and probably because one is designed for the BMW i7 and the other for the Mercedes EQE500.

I can go on and on about changing out to wider wheels or going with summer performance tires and give you my recommendation on those too but that will have to be for another time.

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

I for one cannot wait for the Lincoln version. I would think it will be based off the Mach-E but I've never been able to find any hard specs on the Lincoln Star yet. While I am sure it will be a better riding car then the Mach-E, I highly doubt it will be an Aviator ride but maybe they can get close if raised up a bit which is entirely possible.

If you want to start going down the path for a better ride, the first thing you want to do is change out those OEM tires. If you are staying with your OEM GTPE wheels, go up one size to 255/45/20 and run a max tire pressure of 36 psi which will keep the load rating Ford recommends for the Mach-E.

For an all season tire my recommendation would be to stick with an ultra high performance all season beings I assumed you bought the GTPE for performance. The least expensive and really good Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 Plus is an all around great tire. For an EV specific designed UHP All season, there is only one manufacturer at this time that makes one and that is the Pirelli P Zero All Season. I happened to be running those on the front of my car right now and they are probably one of the quietest, smoothest riding UHP A/S tire I have tested so far. Pirelli has two, however, they are extremely expensive and probably because one is designed for the BMW i7 and the other for the Mercedes EQE500.

I can go on and on about changing out to wider wheels or going with summer performance tires and give you my recommendation on those too but that will have to be for another time.

When the time comes to replace my OEM Contis, I’ll definitely be hitting you up for your opinion, Mark! ?

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