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https://www.reuters.com/business/au...makers-launch-ev-charging-network-2023-07-26/

In challenge to Tesla, major automakers launch EV charging network

July 26 (Reuters) - A group of major automakers on Wednesday said they were forming a new company to provide electric vehicle charging in the United States in a challenge to Tesla and a bid to take advantage of Biden administration subsidies.

The group includes General Motors (GM.N), Stellantis (STLAM.MI), Hyundai Motor (005380.KS) and its Kia affiliate, Honda (7267.T), BMW (BMWG.DE) and Mercedes Benz (MBGn.DE) , brands representing about half of U.S. vehicle sales but a small share of the EV market dominated by Tesla.

The unusual coalition of competitors said the new joint-venture company would aim to become the leading provider of fast charging in North America with a target of rolling out 30,000 chargers, starting along major highways and in cities.

The automakers did not specify how much they would invest individually or collectively, but said they would be open to additional investment or participation from other companies, including outside the auto industry. A name for the venture was not announced.

Tesla (TSLA.O), which accounted for more than 60% of U.S. EV sales last year, has the largest current network of fast-chargers with almost 18,000 Superchargers in the United States.

Tesla said earlier this year it would open part of that charging network to EVs from rival brands in order to be eligible for a share of funding from the $7.5 billion in federal subsidies on offer to expand the use of EVs.

Tesla’s lead in building out a network of chargers has given it sway in setting the standard for how future EVs will connect and power up, something smaller charging companies and other EV makers have viewed with concern.

GM, Mercedes and others have signed on to adopt Tesla-developing charging technology from 2025 to get access to a larger share of its Superchargers.

The other automakers – Stellantis, Hyundai, Honda and BMW – have not committed to the Tesla technology known as the North American Charging Standard (NACS) and have product plans that rely on a rival known as the Combined Charging System (CCS).

The new charging company will support both CCS and the Tesla standard.

“A strong charging network should be available for all – under the same conditions – and be built together with a win-win spirit,” Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares said in a statement.

In a statement, chief executives of the seven auto brands said a charging network built out like gas stations with restrooms, food service and retail operations would support a faster rollout of EVs, which they said they expected would top 50% of U.S. sales by 2030.

The new company would compete against established EV charging companies, including Volkswagen's (VOWG_p.DE) Electrify America, ChargePoint (CHPT.N) and EVGo (EVGO.O), which are also looking to accelerate the rollout of chargers with federal funding.

The Biden administration has set a target of hitting 500,000 chargers by 2030, an almost four-fold increase.
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They should just go ahead and call this new network "Things Electrify America doesn't offer"
Or they will just end up as EA 2.0
 

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According to Ars Technica there are 34,000-ish chargers in the US now. So this would basically double the current total without taking into account all other network expansions. Nice.

Now, please please PLEASE support plug-and-charge.
 

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OP -- did you revise the original article content?

I swear the article originally said something along the lines of "...they were aiming to supply all necessary power with renewable sources". Which is a completely ridiculous thing to say at this point in time, so it definitely should be removed if the article is to be taken seriously.
 


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"In a statement, chief executives of the seven auto brands said a charging network built out like gas stations with restrooms, food service and retail operations would support a faster rollout of EVs, which they said they expected would top 50% of U.S. sales by 2030."

? Adding in restrooms and food service will definitely make road trips great again. I'm so sick of walking into Sam's Club and Wal-Mart for bio breaks
 

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So, Electrify North America. CCS and NACS connectors, cool. Bring it on.
 

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? Adding in restrooms and food service will definitely make road trips great again. I'm so sick of walking into Sam's Club and Wal-Mart for bio breaks
Do you not love the combination smell of a WalMart and Subway sandwiches?
 
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OP -- did you revise the original article content?

I swear the article originally said something along the lines of "...they were aiming to supply all necessary power with renewable sources". Which is a completely ridiculous thing to say at this point in time, so it definitely should be removed if the article is to be taken seriously.
I didn't (other than the first 2 minutes to fix a little formatting). Sometimes the Admin does though. No idea in this case.
 
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? Adding in restrooms and food service will definitely make road trips great again. I'm so sick of walking into Sam's Club and Wal-Mart for bio breaks
That's precisely what I like about DCFC in Walmart/Target lots. The bathrooms are readily available, usually long hours or 24x7, and there's usually restaurants around the lot (and sometimes even inside Walmart). Not to mention lots of shopping at real prices (not 2x convenience store prices).
 
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This is a big win for everyone, they plan to have both NACS and CCS. Things are heating up! It's amazing what competition does.
Yep. We need competition. Tesla having a near-monopoly on DCFC would be a really risky proposition. Especially run by an automaker that could yank the rug out from under the competition after sucking them in. Or put their thumb on the scale to help their car sales and hurt the others.

But of course the big question is whether they can match the high dependability with low cost structure that so far only Tesla has mastered? Being run by 7 automakers (especially a biggie in GM), seems like they may have the chance. Most of it comes down to hardware though. Tesla makes their own (simplified) DCFC chargers. That's a big part of their secret sauce. I doubt this group will do that, but I hope they at least look at it. So far nearly every 3rd party DCFC unit has had dependability issues.
 

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According to Ars Technica there are 34,000-ish chargers in the US now. So this would basically double the current total without taking into account all other network expansions. Nice.

Now, please please PLEASE support plug-and-charge.
Pretty sure they have to for federal funding
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