Do you care about 1,500 kW charging?

[JoeDimwit]

Do I wish for it? No because during road tripping I usually follow a routine of 2 hours driving followed by 20-25 minutes of on my feet for dog walking-bathroom-coffee-check the phone. That non driving time is when dcfc occurs. I still question the thermal capabilities and battery health in the real world of such vehicles.

But, couldn’t you still spend that same amount of time at rest stop anyway?I have driven a couple 1,200 Ike’s each way trips. And for the most part I agree with you. However, there are several places I’ve stopped to charge where there isn’t anything to fill time . Id much rather stop for fuel and then go to the diner 2 miles up the road to eat than eat gas station burritos.

in part, that’s why I really want solid state batteries to be a real thing within the next 3 years. I want a BEV Mustang Coupe or Convertible to be my next car. And I want to stop hearing the trolls yammer about having to stop for 10 hours to recharge your car every 300 miles.

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[Maui]

in part, that’s why I really want solid state batteries to be a real thing within the next 3 years. I want a BEV Mustang Coupe or Convertible to be my next car. And I want to stop hearing the trolls yammer about having to stop for 10 hours to recharge your car every 300 miles.

i believe they will be available but not here unless gas pricing continues to climb higher and the US accidentally backs into becoming a solar/EV country.

 

[JoeDimwit]

i believe they will be available but not here unless gas pricing continues to climb higher and the US accidentally backs into becoming a solar/EV country.

if they are available, they will be available here. Auto manufacturing is way too global for them to not be here. All it will take is for 1 company to offer them here, and every manufacturer that wants to sell vehicles will be forced to compete. Either by dropping the price of the vehicle by a lot, or offering the thing every potential customer is going to demand.

 

[Droonoc]

As Maui and MachLee stated, I only care about it for the progression of the tech and overall adoption. I plan to keep the Mach e for a while and it can’t make use of it. Current tech is sufficient for my occasional road trips so it won’t affect me at all.
When I start shopping for my next EV the fastest charging cars will be at the top of my list so we can enjoy the full benefits of whatever the current tech is at that time.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

My sister lives in an apartment. She just bought a used Mustang and is charging just fine on Level 1; she drives 40 miles a day for work and many more over the weekend. Sometimes does road trips. She doesn’t need 100x charging speed.

 

[Maquis]

Another thing to remember is you’re not going to charge at these speeds using a CCS or NACS connector. In order to be backwards-compatible, they’ll need 2 sets of cables.

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

Yes, I care about pushing the technology because ultra high power charging is probably the only way to get a bunch of holdouts to switch to EV. Including people that tow. Making EVs charge as fast as a gas hose is a great goal.

I don't DC charge a lot, but the time still matters when I do. Every new mid-tier EV should do 10-80% in <30 minutes. With luck, hopefully a majority of EV's will be capable of doing it in <15 minutes in 5-10 years. And hopefully the best ones will do it in <5 minutes (China will probably down to 1-2 minutes by then). Sort of a Moore's law for EV charging, it should get better with time.

As usually, you sum up the situation very well, Lee. The only thing missing is the woeful state of our grid and it's unlikely to ever (in our lifetimes, anyway) be able to support such heavy loads at scale.

 

[hypersnake]

This seems nice, but not necessary.

That being said, I'm currently scouting out our next vehicle to replace my wifes old edge and I would really like to go EV for both our vehicles. I really want a mid size SUV (About the same size as the edge) that has an 800V architecture and a solid 300+ mile range for her occasional travel needs.

With 300+ miles (probably much less if shes traveling at highway speeds and cold) and with 800V architecture charging rates should be plenty fast enough for any of our needs.

 

[Mach-Lee]

As usually, you sum up the situation very well, Lee. The only thing missing is the woeful state of our grid and it's unlikely to ever (in our lifetimes, anyway) be able to support such heavy loads at scale.

True, the grid is currently a limitation, but I also see the improvement of battery storage technology happening. Megawatt chargers will probably have on-site battery storage to pull from for ultra DC charging, which will reduce the grid demands significantly and make it possible in more areas. It would be sort of a Freewire charger on steroids. The on-site storage could also be used for grid stabilization during times of peak usage for additional profit.

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

True, the grid is currently a limitation, but I also see the improvement of battery storage technology happening. Megawatt chargers will probably have on-site battery storage to pull from for ultra DC charging, which will reduce the grid demands significantly and make it possible in more areas. It would be sort of a Freewire charger on steroids. The on-site storage could also be used for grid stabilization during times of peak usage for additional profit.

Yes, that makes total sense and is likely how things will go if DCUFC is ever to take off here.

On a trivially smaller scale we will likely install a battery-based induction range to replace our gas one, obviating the need to open walls and add a 240V outlet in out kitchen. As well as battery back up for our solar. Batteries will liking play an ever-increasing roll in our electrified world.

 

[Billyk24]

True, the grid is currently a limitation, but I also see the improvement of battery storage technology happening. Megawatt chargers will probably have on-site battery storage to pull from for ultra DC charging, which will reduce the grid demands significantly and make it possible in more areas. It would be sort of a Freewire charger on steroids. The on-site storage could also be used for grid stabilization during times of peak usage for additional profit.

In certain locations a large setup of solar panels would greatly enhance the efficiency.

 

[silverelan]

If we had cars that could take 1.5MW, I’d absolutely love it. Unfortunately, our 2021-23.5 cars are slow af to charge.

Even with preconditioning my charge session took too damn long. It was 27 mins to go 5% to 57% in my 2021 GT.

 

[Billyk24]

If we had cars that could take 1.5MW, I’d absolutely love it. Unfortunately, our 2021-23.5 cars are slow af to charge.

Even with preconditioning my charge session took too damn long. It was 27 mins to go 5% to 57% in my 2021 GT.

How warm did the battery get prior to using the dcfc? My experience is it only warms to 59f outside of the warm May to October months.

 

[silverelan]

How warm did the battery get prior to using the dcfc? My experience is it only warms to 59f outside of the warm May to October months.

I had set the charger as a destination from the get-go and saw on the OBD2 the coolant heater at 5kW going for awhile before I pulled in. I believe the max HVB temp was 86F by the time I was block away.

 

[Shayne]

Yes, I care about pushing the technology because ultra high power charging is probably the only way to get a bunch of holdouts to switch to EV. Including people that tow. Making EVs charge as fast as a gas hose is a great goal.

I don't DC charge a lot, but the time still matters when I do. Every new mid-tier EV should do 10-80% in <30 minutes. With luck, hopefully a majority of EV's will be capable of doing it in <15 minutes in 5-10 years. And hopefully the best ones will do it in <5 minutes (China will probably down to 1-2 minutes by then). Sort of a Moore's law for EV charging, it should get better with time.

It is the competitive race between BYD and Geely.

I am not even taking notice of the 1.5 Megawatt charging and am holding out for the 1.21 Gigawatts because that is when things really start to happen

Another thing to remember is you’re not going to charge at these speeds using a CCS or NACS connector. In order to be backwards-compatible, they’ll need 2 sets of cables.

More different connections and cables that is a first.

I think if they can find the power for their internet in a box AI datacenters they could charge a few EV's? Know which I would prioritize.

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