Do you use the fob or your phone for your everyday driving

[DaMeatMan]

Just wondering how many always use the fob or always use the phone. Anyone know how much a second fob costs?

I Only use the FOB, and I would actually delete my phone as a key setup if I knew it wouldn't also blow out the entry and startup pass codes. Anyone know if this can be done? I've read paak is required to enter those codes.

The reason I don't like paak is basically due to the fact that I drive with 2 little ones in the back, and I also like to leave my phone charging on the wireless chargematt (well because that's why it's there right?)

Problem is, it's far too easy to step out of the vehicle for a second and forget the phone on the charging matt when getting out to unload kids, groceries or whatever, and you've now essentially left your key in the car. It literally only takes a second for someone to jump in the vehicle and drive off with my kids inside. That is any parents absolute worst nightmare!

With my FOB that stays in my pocket at all times, if I get out of the car for any length of time, that FOB is ALWAYS with me. Meaning if someone wants the car, they're going to need to get the FOB from me, and at least I stand a chance of letting them know there are kids in the car, take the car, but let me get the kids out first.. vs jump in the car, drive off (because paak is in the car) and then realize minutes later you've just kidnapped some kids that u didn't know were in the car you just jacked.

That's the Dad in me always thinking worst possible scenarios in order to mitigate them. So with that said, I almost never take the phone out of my picket now, even if it's low on juice.

What are your thoughts on this? From my perspective paak is not just a convenience (I mean I understand the selling point here), but it requires a shift in user behavior that is not entirely natural. In my old car that physically used a key, I'm conditioned to always have key in hand and out of the ignition whenever getting out of the vehicle, but with a phone it's not entirely as natural or logical and requires a change in behavior that you need to be conscious of.

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[stlippert]

PaaK 100%. I-phone 11. Occasionally it doesn't recognize me immediately but the backup passwords work.

 

[exact33]

I just got mine and am using the fob. I plan to setup PAAK this weekend.

 

[JSOrange97]

Almost 2 weeks in now, I use the PAAK and the wife has used both phone and fob. I have noticed that I can't get the foot activated liftgate to work with PAAK.

 

[J Duce]

My wife and I both have Samsung S10e. We use the phone exclusively (however my wife sometimes uses the entry and start codes). One issue that bothers me is that PAAK does not start when you power your phone. You have to bring up FordPass to get it started. Once started, it will stay on as long as the phone is powered.

As for your radio comment, I think your fob has a different profile (could be guest) thank the PAAK. This would also affect seat and mirrors memory.
I named the profiles for me and my wife so that we know which is active. Sometimes I may be using my PAAK but my wife is driving (switching driver on a long drive) we can switch profile as required.

Good point about the key fob. I will have to check it at some point.

 

[dbsb3233]

I Only use the FOB, and I would actually delete my phone as a key setup if I knew it wouldn't also blow out the entry and startup pass codes. Anyone know if this can be done? I've read paak is required to enter those codes.

I tested creating a backup start code then deactivating PAAK. It took a day, but the start code got deleted too.

A workaround might be to install PAAK on an old phone or tablet, set up the backup start code, then just turn the old phone or tablet off.

 

[MichaelScott]

The reason I don't like paak is basically due to the fact that I drive with 2 little ones in the back, and I also like to leave my phone charging on the wireless chargematt (well because that's why it's there right?)

Problem is, it's far too easy to step out of the vehicle for a second and forget the phone on the charging matt when getting out to unload kids, groceries or whatever, and you've now essentially left your key in the car. It literally only takes a second for someone to jump in the vehicle and drive off with my kids inside. That is any parents absolute worst nightmare!

Agree 100%. PaaK is quite unreliable and it can result in a kid being locked in the car. Today, I left my phone on the charger and closed the door and was then locked out of my car and had to go back and get the fob. Not going to risk that happening again with a kid in a carseat.

I otherwise love this car. I have no problems with there being bugs with this feature that take time to work out, but we were only given 1 fob because PaaK was the other key, and it doesn't work. Personally I think we should be given a second fob under warranty.

 

[DaMeatMan]

I tested creating a backup start code then deactivating PAAK. It took a day, but the start code got deleted too.

A workaround might be to install PAAK on an old phone or tablet, set up the backup start code, then just turn the old phone or tablet off.

I thought of doing the same thing actually, and I may dig out one of my old phones to do just that!

 

[AllenXS]

It was a pain the first couple of weeks but they seem to be getting better together.
Sometimes it won't work so I tap the phone to the door button and it works then.

Sometimes in the car it seems to recognize PAAK and start then it says no key.

I then swear and it works again.

 

[Crilly]

We finally got a faraday bag. I could not believe how far in the house I had to store the fob from the garage to keep it from interfering with the phone.

 

[Eraser]

I’ve only been using PaaK. It sometimes won’t unlock the car when I approach but if I grab my phone and unlock it, it’s often enough to create the link.

My sense from these misfires is that it is not solely a FordPass app issue. I think iOS (and I would assume Android) have their own way of managing app resources on a phone and maybe the phone’s operating system is forcing the app into a deep sleep or something if not used recently. I never seem to have a PaaK failure if I recently had FordPass open before going outside.

I don't have first hand experience with this yet, but I think you're correct. For the people having intermittent problems are you using iPhone or Android? On Android, the OS will enable Battery Optimization on apps if it hasn't been used for some time. On Android for "mission critical" apps that run in the background, I turn Battery Optimization off at the app level. Doing that prevents intermittent issues that require the app not be put in a deep sleep. I don't use an iPhone regularly, but from what I do know of iOS I doubt there is a similar way to accomplish this. On the other hand the iOS version of the app may need an update or two to keep the app alive to prevent these types of issues.

 

[RyZt]

Phone only.

If door doesn't open, I use the PIN to enter.

After getting in the car, I put the phone on the charging pad before starting the car. This way, the car always start on first attempt. If I don't put the phone on charging pad first, I sometimes (quite frequently) get key not detected message.

 

[Timelessblur]

why do people not want to carry the FOB? disclaimer: I have never had a car with a FOB but have a key with the door buttons so figure it isn't bigger than that

For me it is honestly because I have my phone on me when I goto my car and I take my phone with me when Ieave my car. The fob I end up accidently leaving it in my car all the time. This includes when I go into stores and only figure it out when I get back to the car or looking for my keys the next morning. Low and be hold keys sitting in my car. My wife hates it so this is a little safer for me.
That being said I will still most likely get 2 fobs and mostly just use my phone because I am lazy

 

[MachEPilot]

Both my wife and I only use our phones, the FOB is left in a drawer in the house. We have also programmed backup codes, in case our phones run out of power.

 

[exact33]

I installed Paak on my Pixel 5 (android 11) and it seems to work as expected but I do not see the option to turn on heated seats or steering wheel.

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