The truth about Electrify America's progress and Traveling with the Mach E

[jhalkias]

Sure but it still beats the usual Level 2!

Yup. Just like level 2 beats 110!

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[Billyk24]

Yeah, I was excited when I found out that the Dunkin Donuts down the road from my office has an EVgo charger then I found out it was only one plug(actually 2 - one is CHADemo), and then find out it is only 50KW.

There are a number of Dunkin Donut locations in southwestern pa that have ccs 50kW chargers. 3 miles a minute of range added if your on the lower end of state of charge?

 

[jhalkias]

There are a number of Dunkin Donut locations in southwestern pa that have ccs 50kW chargers. 3 miles a minute of range added if your on the lower end of state of charge?

If that is accurate, then for me that would just be a bit less than gas. They are showing 20 cents a minute for that charger . . . my escape gets 27mpg on average, so 9 X .20 = $1.80 for the equivalent of a gallon of range and gas right now around me is about $2.09. But it would take 9 minutes to pump every gallon of that electric fuel.

 

[Billyk24]

Another addition:
443 sites, 112 future sites 1513 CCS chargers 442 CHAdeMO chargers 100 level 2 chargers

Another bump for July 10th:
444 sites, 111 future sites, 1516 CCS fast chargers 443 CHAdeMo chargers 100 level 2 chargers

 

[RBG3]

Alabama looks to be another charging black hole. EA doesn't show 1 charger in Alabama. I live near Atlanta and I looked at driving to my parent's house on EA's website. If I go my normal route the first EA charger I would pass is in Forrest City, AR which is 468 miles from my house. That poses 2 problems. The first is that no EV has that kind of range at 80 mph. The second is what am I supposed to do in Forrest City? Just chill in Walmart for an hour? A better route planner takes me on a much longer route - hours longer to route around Alabama and Mississippi.

I'll be putting most of my daily miles on the Mach-E, but I'll be taking an ICE on vacation for the near future.

Can you tell me what an "ICE" stands for?

 

[jhalkias]

Can you tell me what an "ICE" stands for?

Internal Combustion Engine

 

[jhalkias]

Can you tell me what an "ICE" stands for?

Or, I Can’t Electrify

 

[dbsb3233]

If that is accurate, then for me that would just be a bit less than gas. They are showing 20 cents a minute for that charger . . . my escape gets 27mpg on average, so 9 X .20 = $1.80 for the equivalent of a gallon of range and gas right now around me is about $2.09. But it would take 9 minutes to pump every gallon of that electric fuel.

And that's a bargain relative to EA. It still kinda grates at me that EA costs roughly twice as much as gas (in my situation, anyway). With $2.50/gal gas and a 25 MPG vehicle, gas costs $0.10/mile.

Using Ford's "45 minutes to charge 10-80%" on the 300 mile version, that's 4.66 miles/minute. EA's rates range from $0.59/min to $0.99/min (depending on the state and whether on the regular rate or the subscription discount). That's between $0.13-0.21/mile. More than gasoline.

Not that I blame EA. The economics for installing and maintaining vehicle charging stations that get relatively little usage can be tough, since they usually don't generate a lot of revenue to pay for those costs. Contrast that with residential BEV charging that (for me) runs only about $0.03/mile. Meaning EA is 4x-7x more expensive than home charging (for me).

 

[jhalkias]

And that's a bargain relative to EA. It still kinda grates at me that EA costs roughly twice as much as gas (in my situation, anyway). With $2.50/gal gas and a 25 MPG vehicle, gas costs $0.10/mile.

Using Ford's "45 minutes to charge 10-80%" on the 300 mile version, that's 4.66 miles/minute. EA's rates range from $0.59/min to $0.99/min (depending on the state and whether on the regular rate or the subscription discount). That's between $0.13-0.21/mile. More than gasoline.

Not that I blame EA. The economics for installing and maintaining vehicle charging stations that get relatively little usage can be tough, since they usually don't generate a lot of revenue to pay for those costs. Contrast that with residential BEV charging that (for me) runs only about $0.03/mile. Meaning EA is 4x-7x more expensive than home charging (for me).

I swear somewhere on videos on YouTube with Kyle on out of spec motoring, when he was plugging in at an EA plug that he said about .30 a minute? Did I imagine that?

 

[mustangteddy]

Fast charging is expensive and shouldn't be used for a majority of charging (it's bad for the battery). When a majority of your charging is done at home and you average in your expensive trips it's still wayy cheaper to fuel the electrics. Pricing will come down as things become "competitive" and more main stream. But again one shouldn't rely on fast charging for daily charging only for long trips. Not to mention it's bad for battery health

 

[timbop]

I find it interesting that EVgo has a category for "Ultrafast" DC Fast Chargers but they only go up to 50 kW. I wonder what they will call the ones that are even faster?

The natural progression is ridiculous->ludicrous->plaid, right?

 

[timbop]

I swear somewhere on videos on YouTube with Kyle on out of spec motoring, when he was plugging in at an EA plug that he said about .30 a minute? Did I imagine that?

It depends on the max charge rate of the car. 75kw and lower is around $0.30/min depending upon where in the country you are. At the top end ( > 125 kw) it is $0.99 for nonmembers or $0.70 for members depending where you are in the country:
https://www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing/

 

[dbsb3233]

I swear somewhere on videos on YouTube with Kyle on out of spec motoring, when he was plugging in at an EA plug that he said about .30 a minute? Did I imagine that?

It's in that neighborhood if charging at <75 kW rate. The rates I quoted are @ 150 kW (which the ER MME should use).

You can see the rates for every charger on their map. Just click on any charger and scroll down a little for the rates.

https://www.electrifyamerica.com/locate-charger/

 

[silverelan]

One could argue that DC fast charging is a service more than a commodity. I suppose it's akin to cooking at home versus eating at a restaurant. There's just a lot more overhead that has to be bundled into the price.

I'm not convinced that Electrify America's per minute charging is relevant anymore since we already know that EA has committed to a per kilowatt hour price scheme where legal and Ford's complimentary 250kWh upon purchase.

The economics of DC fast charging by itself just does not make much sense (but commercial partnerships may pencil out). High-powered charging infrastructure probably has to be subsidized to some extent by manufacturers as Tesla does with its Superchargers or Ionity by Ford, Volkswagen, Kia/Hyundai, etc.

 

[dbsb3233]

While EA has announced they will eventually be changing to per kWh rates (in states where it's legal to do so), there's no reason to think that means it will be cheaper. They set the current rates where they are for an economic reason, and that reason will still exist when they switch.

However, when that happens in a few years, there should be many more BEVs on the road, creating more usage, and more revenue. So for that reason, maybe the rates will be able to come down some. There could also be more competition by then.

ITA about EA being mostly a service. That's most of what we're paying for -- the convenience of BEV charging in places we wouldn't normally be able to get it, as well as the high-power service.

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