Update on Mach-E launch progress from engineering friends in Mexico

[dbsb3233]

Ford has not released the true numbers, as there might be over the air updates at a later time to increase drive range.

23 to 26 is about a 10% increase (closer to 13% but I didn’t know exact numbers)

So sounds like he's suggesting an improvement that hasn't been announced yet? That would be nice. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

As I noted earlier, I don't think 23 and 26 are the numbers announced. 32A 240V charging went from 22 miles each hour to 21 on the June update (or might have been May). It actually got (slightly) worse, not better.

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[trutolife27]

didn't know how much would be different from what "us" as public know compared to what it truly will launch with and be getting aka charge time, range, and hp. Could be increased like tesla later on with over the air updates.


Everything with a computer chip can be updated OTA so the possibilities are almost endless! Even the windshield wipers. Pretty amazing.
One thing I can think of since LR that changed is we did make the glass piano roof slightly darker tinted, what is or will be able in the few months of initial launch we are not allowed to speculate at this time. In the town hall meeting with Dearborn last week, ford has many things planned after the initial launch that will be updated, and info passed back to ford before the launch of the GT.

 

[zhackwyatt]

That'll be me too. I don't have a 240V outlet installed in the garage yet, but I'll likely have one put in eventually. But I'm planning to wait until after I get the vehicle first, and check out the charger that comes with the Mach-e to see if I think I want to just use that or buy a 3rd party one off Amazon.

Initially I can get by fine on 120V, since we're retired and don't drive many miles. Overnight should add ~35 miles, and we have many days the car doesn't even leave the garage and can charge for 40 hours straight (~120 miles). And we have a 2nd car anyway.

Just remember there is a tax credit on the installation of an EVSE before the end of 2020.

 

[JamieGeek]

Note that for those of you that this is your first EV (continuing the discussion a few posts ago): Yes get a Level-2 but keep in mind that the included EVSE will work with 120V or 240V. So all you'll really need is a 240V line to where you want to park/plug/charge the car. You can decided on a permanent Level-2 EVSE later--do your research and get the feel for how it is charging (You'll probably want one at some point so you're not taking the thing out of the car and putting it back--granted you can drive around without it but you'll never know when it comes in handy--kind of like a jack.)

The question here is: Did Ford publish what kind of 240V plug they have on the Level-2 the car comes with? :checks .pdf's I have: Yes NEMA 15-50 from the packaging guide.

From this chart.

 

[silverelan]

We already knew the power is higher than the original estimates. About 14 hp on the AWD ext range.
https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...s-increased-across-the-board-hp-lb-ft-kw.676/

And it was confirmed in the order guide.
https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/2021-mach-e-mustang-order-guide.877/

Are they talking about ANOTHER power increase?

216kW rear motor + 50kW front = 356hp potential vs. 346hp marketed

So that's 10 horsepower margin that they're holding back on us.

 

[generaltso]

The question here is: Did Ford publish what kind of 240V plug they have on the Level-2 the car comes with? :checks .pdf's I have: Yes NEMA 15-50 from the packaging guide.

From this chart.

That’s a typo. It will come with a NEMA 14-50.

 

[JamieGeek]

That’s a typo. It will come with a NEMA 14-50.

Thats great as it makes a lot more sense.

 

[SnBGC]

That'll be me too. I don't have a 240V outlet installed in the garage yet, but I'll likely have one put in eventually. But I'm planning to wait until after I get the vehicle first, and check out the charger that comes with the Mach-e to see if I think I want to just use that or buy a 3rd party one off Amazon.

Initially I can get by fine on 120V, since we're retired and don't drive many miles. Overnight should add ~35 miles, and we have many days the car doesn't even leave the garage and can charge for 40 hours straight (~120 miles). And we have a 2nd car anyway.

Your second car will start to collect dust once the MME arrives. You will probably drive the wheels off your MME when it arrives.

I asked him and this is what he sent back.


you said that you’ll be getting +14 hp and +9 ft-lbs of torque over original estimates, and it charges about 10% faster too.

Nope not talking about the “quick charge” and you mean what was done from an engineering side? Faster charging is all electrical so it just means better battery performance. For the power and torque, it’s all about the dual motors (one for each axle) there’s nothing that even connects them physically they just sit on the same chassis. So they’re more efficient. Single-speed transmission so nothing disengages either. Ford has not released the true numbers, as there might be over the air updates at a later time to increase drive range.

23 to 26 is about a 10% increase (closer to 13% but I didn’t know exact numbers)

Sounds like what he is talking about here is the fact that the MME has an on board charger that is capable of accepting two 40 amp line feeds. Most Level 2 EVSE are capable of providing up to 32 amps per line feed so if you have that type then figure about 21-22 miles of range gained per hour of charge. However, if you buy an EVSE that is capable of providing the full 40 amps then it will charge faster. The optional Ford Connect EVSE is a 40 amp unit. I dont remember the details but that unit might provide about 28-30 miles of range per hour of charge.

 

[dbsb3233]

I dont remember the details but that unit might provide about 28-30 miles of range per hour of charge.

32 miles per each hour on the hardwired 48A Ford wallbox charger. Or at least that was the November spec on it. Not sure if that changed any in the recent update.

Not that hardly anyone should need that. 32A should be sufficient for the vast majority of people for overnight charging at a rate of 21 miles per hour. 12 hours should charge to 100% even from near empty. Unless the vehicle is being driven in 2 shifts per day (thus only leaving a few hours to charge each night), 32A should be plenty for most.

(FWIW, the 48A charger was also already known about in Nov so that shouldn't count as any new upgrade info.)

 

[SnBGC]

32 miles per each hour on the hardwired 48A Ford wallbox charger. Or at least that was the November spec on it. Not sure if that changed any in the recent update.

Not that hardly anyone should need that. 32A should be sufficient for the vast majority of people for overnight charging at a rate of 21 miles per hour. 12 hours should charge to 100% even from near empty. Unless the vehicle is being driven in 2 shifts per day (thus only leaving a few hours to charge each night), 32A should be plenty for most.

(FWIW, the 48A charger was also already known about in Nov so that shouldn't count as any new upgrade info.)

Oh that is right. Its 48 amp capable. That is fairly impressive. If I didnt already have an 32 amp level 2 at home I might give that Ford Unit a try.

 

[timbop]

23 to 26 is about a 10% increase (closer to 13% but I didn’t know exact numbers)

As I said, I remember seeing 23 mi on the website, although in others it said 22. As we all know, there have always been inconsistencies between the same information in different places (or different country's websites). The spec sheet on the press page had lots of them compared to the "show specs" on the main mach E USA page. Also, the back-of-the-napkin math works out to support 26 mi/hr charging for RWD.

In the end it doesn't really make much of a difference with AC charging since most of it happens when you're in bed anyway

 

[ChasingCoral]

I work for ford and have some engineer friends on the launch team down in mexico for the Mach-e. He sent this to me.

Is the mach-e is going as scheduled for production or behind? Ordered one was just wondering how things are going with the virus? thanks


Entire program was delayed 10 weeks, should start shipping to the U.S. late November after we achieve OKTB. I ordered one too, very exciting! Launch is going well though, strong team.

Glad to see we now have multiple sources in Cuautitlan. This timing is consistent with my source as well. When I said I hoped I'd see my First Edition as a Christmas present -- or even birthday present as my birthday is early in December -- my source said sooner. So we now have multiple sources pointing toward November deliveries.

 

[ChasingCoral]

I was already planning on adding an L2 charger, but I like your logic. It will be fun to track my usage during the first couple of weeks.

I am very happy with our decision to install an L2 charger when we bought our Leaf. The portable charger provided with the Leaf is only L1. Being and installing the L2 was around a $1000 outlay but then got most of that back in Federal and state tax credits. Ours is a 32A charger because our circuit panel was limited to adding a 40A breaker. Going up to a 60A circuit for a faster charger like Ford's could have doubled the cost for only a slight increase in charging speed for the Leaf and a 50% increase in charging speed for the Mach E (Leaf's max charging on L2 is lower than Mustang).

With the Mach E, the provided portable charger is L1 or L2 up to 32A, just like we installed. If you already have a 220 outlet available then you might want to just see if you are happy with the portable. If you have to do an install either way, I recommend taking advantage of the tax credits and installing a 60A if your panel has room. There is great convenience of just plugging in when you get home without having to store the portable charger back in your car every day (for piece of mind that you have it in case you need it while you are out).

I realize there are some for whom slower charging is just fine. That's your choice, too.

 

[Sweetwater]

That’s a typo. It will come with a NEMA 14-50.

It's not a Typo. This is showing the Cord Cap and the Receptacle. The whole
chart is this way.

 

[dbsb3233]

216kW rear motor + 50kW front = 356hp potential vs. 346hp marketed

So that's 10 horsepower margin that they're holding back on us.

No idea if it's true, but I remember reading here somewhere that it's not 100% linearly additive like that.

Maybe because of the different gear ratios on the front vs rear motors?

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