OTA Mach-E DC Fast Charging speed and threshold increases coming this winter

[physib]

Just ignore him and have a better day

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[RickMachE]

I know I’ve seen it before but I can’t for the life of me find that part in the manual right now. Which section is it under?

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[Logal727]

Download the PDF manual to your computer, phone, and tablet. Then you can easily search for any term.

Just did that!

 

[silverelan]

I had to re-watch the interview with Darren Palmer and have to say I'm incredibly impressed! Usually, the legacy corporate types that talk about EVs give generally sweeping statements and don't get into the weeds because they don't have a clue what owners experience. Darren seems incredibly in-tune with the joys and challenges of EVs and what's going on with the MME specifically.

Moving the charging cliff to 90% means that not just longer lunch stops will be more useful but also the stops early in a trip won't be wasted. If my first stop from home is at 70% then plugging in to get back to 90% is an opportunity I won't want to miss.

I'm wondering how much shorter Ford can make the Mach-E's charging. If it's 40 minutes to go 10% to 80% now, can they get that down to low 30s?

 

[Frankie]

Good lord Frankie give it up. This is huge news for more people than trap speeds, and Kyle is one of the best in the business by far. Even if Kyle were to ask there’s no way they’d say anything, there’s an embargo until Mid-October as reported by Mike Levine on Twitter. There’s going to be no-comment on driving dynamics or performance from any reputable outlet until then. Anyone that jumps the gun runs risk of getting blackballed by Ford going forward. It’s not worth the risk to anyone in the business to push those buttons with automakers. Even then, Kyle admitted he hasn’t done enough research yet to understand the problem you’re blaming him for not bringing up. I appreciate the fact that he does his research before trying to pin someone to the wall. He’s done great analysis of the charging curve with InsideEVs.

Here’s the trap speed thread for your reference, in case you forgot where to find it.

Here’s another one. Stop bringing your issue into every irrelevant thread. It’s absolutely an issue and until the embargo and media drive you’re unlikely to hear anything.

Please, let others talk about other topics they care about in the appropriate threads.

First, if you look, you’ll notice I’m not the one that brought it up in this thread.

I thought this thread was about the video, not just the parts of the video that YOU care about, and the GT is part of the video. Sorry. And really it's good it was brought to his attention, since he wasn't really aware of it, and it's a serious issue.

Kyle said he would never let worrying about being blacklisted stop him from asking hard questions are you saying that he’s not being honest when he said that? It seems like that’s what you’re saying.

 

[macchiaz-o]

Moving the charging cliff to 90% means that not just longer lunch stops will be more useful but also the stops early in a trip won't be wasted. If my first stop from home is at 70% then plugging in to get back to 90% is an opportunity I won't want to miss.

I agree.

DC charging to 90% more reasonably enables EV road trips in my standard range Mach-E. I'll have a larger buffer to arriving to the next charging stop (it it's backup), and this will make me less anxious.

 

[dbsb3233]

I agree.

DC charging to 90% more reasonably enables EV road trips in my standard range Mach-E. I'll have a larger buffer to arriving to the next charging stop (it it's backup), and this will make me less anxious.

I just hope people don't get their expectations set for 90% based on this. I read it more as a maybe. Both a maybe of it happening at all, and a maybe as 90% being the new number (vs like 85% or something).

No doubt any expansion would be nice though. While the current charge curve works fine for me as it is, no one will complain about saving a few more minutes. ?

 

[yngwenli]

Usually, the legacy corporate types that talk about EVs give generally sweeping statements and don't get into the weeds because they don't have a clue what owners experience.

I am new and haven't followed Ford's journey with the Mach-E, but battery advantage is the biggest advantage in EVs now when everyone is forced to a few suppliers now and that's it. You have a fire/battery issue like GM (I'm a Bolt EV owner) and everything is literally shut down. You can't sell a thing and also have no clue what the supplier is doing. I honestly feel battery supplies will be extremely limited for many many years. Tesla's Musk stated they were backordered to the tune of 80,000 poweralls alone. You have every EV maker and then some coming with EVs (Audi, BMW, Porsche, VW, Hyundai) and there are only so many around.

I'm glad and really hoping Ford continues to admit they are massively behind, but try to improve (be humble that you're playing massive catchup...hard for any legacy company (look at what Tesla/Amazon did to Walmart/ToysRUs/etc... Tesla is worth more than every auto maker combined).

As Farley stated,, the cell is the "most important and most expensive component in an electric vehicle" and having 0 control of your supply chain means you have 0 control of every EV you will produce (nor knowledge of it's inner-workings).

https://www.teslarati.com/ford-back...d on,own cells, stating it had “ no advantage.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-battery-strategy-ford-no-advantage/

 

[SnBGC]

I just hope people don't get their expectations set for 90% based on this. I read it more as a maybe. Both a maybe of it happening at all, and a maybe as 90% being the new number (vs like 85% or something).

No doubt any expansion would be nice though. While the current charge curve works fine for me as it is, no one will complain about saving a few more minutes. ?

Agree. Something like 85% before cliff diving would be useful to many provided other factors align to mitigate damaging effects.

I take all this with a grain of salt though. I mean, this is the same guy who said the LVB would remain fully charged at all times and never die. And how about those capacitors in the doors?

If I had the opportunity to ask Darren a few questions then I would ask if he knows why DCFC functions perfectly and with great speed on the free to charge promotion days and at a snail's pace (or not at all) when using the Blue Oval Charging Network complimentary kWs? Fix that and I would consider going on another road trip in the Mach-E someday.

Second request would ask Ford to fix the programming to allow the vehicle to condition the battery while parked off plug even when outside the charge schedule (like the Focus Electric does). If they did that, then I wouldn't need to charge to 95% or 100% each day like I do now. I have to start my day with a healthy charge to guard against falling below the 50% threshold. Otherwise my car will charge during the day which of course I don't want because it costs more and it's the hottest time of the day. I prefer to charge during the evenings vs when the car is sitting out in the sun in 120 degree temps.

And since we are making a wish list.....
Don't change stuff on my car without the courtesy of asking each time please. Most times I would probably be okay with whatever update is planned. Just tell me what you are fixing or "upgrading" and let me decide. If given the choice, I would stick with the current DCFC charge settings provided they perform the same as the free to charge promotion days. If they can make that one change.....then that would be desirable to many.

 

[dbsb3233]

I'm glad and really hoping Ford continues to admit they are massively behind, but try to improve (be humble that you're playing massive catchup...hard for any legacy company (look at what Tesla/Amazon did to Walmart/ToysRUs/etc... Tesla is worth more than every auto maker combined).

Hmmm. I guess it depends on what is meant by "massively behind". I consider it smart for Ford to have waited to really jump in until battery tech got good enough to deliver 300 mile range in desirable body styles. Starting any sooner wouldn't have made much sense for them IMO.

Ford is also very cognizant of consumer demand for BEVs, as it was only running at like 2% the last few years (and is still only like around 4-5%).

I think Ford got the timing just right.

 

[breeves002]

You heard wrong.

I reported the Huber Heights location was only giving 34kw at the 350kw locations. On August 29th. Now, 3 weeks later, PlugShare shows the same issues...https://www.plugshare.com/location/171776

Two Chevy Bolt owners thought 34kw was normal... One said the chargers "ramp down during peak electrical demand".

Go look on PlugShare for Gainesville.
https://www.plugshare.com/location/192956

Here's Bushnell, FL. I reported them also. Weeks later, still broken...https://www.plugshare.com/location/158468

I just stopped at the Huber a heights one on a road trip and was stuck with the 34kW charging. It was horrible. 1 hour + for 115 miles of range needed to the next stop. An ID4 showed up and thought that was the max their car could do… they had bought it recently and only charged it there.

 

[RickMachE]

I just stopped at the Huber a heights one on a road trip and was stuck with the 34kW charging. It was horrible. 1 hour + for 115 miles of range needed to the next stop. An ID4 showed up and thought that was the max their car could do… they had bought it recently and only charged it there.

You discovered what I did - that most EV drivers have no clue about charging. We talked with an ID4 driver and had to help him get it charged, all he could talk about was 3 years of free charging. He also told me that his car and mine had the same fast acceleration...

Woman pulled up in brand new Audi. Stuck in her credit card, had no knowledge of charging speeds or anything else for that matter.

 

[Logal727]

I just stopped at the Huber a heights one on a road trip and was stuck with the 34kW charging. It was horrible. 1 hour + for 115 miles of range needed to the next stop. An ID4 showed up and thought that was the max their car could do… they had bought it recently and only charged it there.

Yeah ID4 get free EA charging, hopefully it’s not doing ONLY DCFC though, yikes.

 

[TruWrecks]

You discovered what I did - that most EV drivers have no clue about charging. We talked with an ID4 driver and had to help him get it charged, all he could talk about was 3 years of free charging. He also told me that his car and mine had the same fast acceleration...

Woman pulled up in brand new Audi. Stuck in her credit card, had no knowledge of charging speeds or anything else for that matter.

A lot of this lack of knowledge is lack of dealer training or caring about EVs. Most car salesman think it's a passing fad that won't last. Others think it won't matter in their lifetime.

Move over Dino Dealers! EVs are here to stay!

Much like their petrol products, their time is limited. Learn the new products or go extinct!

 

[Logal727]

A lot of this lack of knowledge is lack of dealer training or caring about EVs. Most car salesman think it's a passing fad that won't last. Others think it won't matter in their lifetime.

Move over Dino Dealers! EVs are here to stay!

Much like their petrol products, their time is limited. Learn the new products or go extinct!

They also know Ford is moving away from the dealer shenanigans, so they really have no incentive to learn about all this stuff.

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