Mach-E EPA Range Estimates Updated on Ford's Website

[ARK]

Exactly..

Aero drag within the same variant would be the same. The AWD and RWD variants of the Premium have the same drag, the Select AWD and RWD have the same drag, and the CA Rt. 1 AWD and RWD have the same drag. The motor is internal.

So if aero drag is constant within a variant type, why does adding a motor drop range by 20 miles-ish on a Premium (ER or SR), 20 miles-ish on a Select but only two miles on the CA Rt. 1.

In fact, you’d expect the opposite result, if the CA Rt. 1 is already the most efficient in terms of least aero drag, you’d expect the impact of greater weight to be most on this type of Mach-E.

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[tuminatr]

Premium awd er 277? Yeah, if u drive like an old man. More like 224. How do u confirm its got the er vs reg battery, other than the sticker and vin?

The funny thing is that's not true. I got 3.0mi/kwh @ 95mph in Chicago at 20 degrees with the heat on.

If you would have been following me you would have said I drove it like I stole it. Because that's how everyone drives in Chicago.

City traffic that uses a lot of regenerative braking is the ideal highway condition for an electric vehicle

 

[Scooby24]

Forgive my ignorance but what are the differences with CArt1 AWD ER vs Premium AWD ER? Why such a big jump in mileage on the route1?

 

[Cm12]

The funny thing is that's not true. I got 3.0mi/kwh @ 95mph in Chicago at 20 degrees with the heat on.

If you would have been following me you would have said I drove it like I stole it. Because that's how everyone drives in Chicago.

City traffic that uses a lot of regenerative braking is the ideal highway condition for an electric vehicle

Man, I only get like 1.4-1.6 miles per kWh in 30-40 degree weather and not driving very aggressively. About 120-130 miles per full charge on a SR AWD but could get 210+ in the summer, usually holding 3.0+ miles per kWh. Wonder if the ER battery somehow holds up better in cold than the SR? Either way, glad to get any more kWh than before!

 

[RonTCat]

I suspect that the numbers are not accurate for the Premium Extended RWD, or for the California Rt 1 AWD. EPA has not published the results for the 2022 models, so I think Ford jumped the gun with inaccurate figures...

Since Ford does the test and reports the number to EPA, it should be good. EPA never generates the number, they just sometimes audit it.

 

[tuminatr]

Man, I only get like 1.4-1.6 miles per kWh in 30-40 degree weather and not driving very aggressively. About 120-130 miles per full charge on a SR AWD but could get 210+ in the summer, usually holding 3.0+ miles per kWh. Wonder if the ER battery somehow holds up better in cold than the SR? Either way, glad to get any more kWh than before!

I have never seen that low, even the -10 cold snap the car got 2.1m/kwh. One note of significance my car is a premium AWD ER but I did install 18" select wheels and LRR all-weather tires they seem to have helped. When it was 45 degrees plus I was seeing 3.5m/kwh. I have noticed that the car seems to be more efficient if I drive aggressively. I would guess that's because regenerative braking helps big time with range. Do you use a one-pedal drive?

 

[tuminatr]

If you could get a picture of the document that they mentioned, that would be awesome. I've already updated my car, but I can't figure out any way to tell if the usable battery capacity was increased or not. This is where detailed release notes would be very handy.

When I was there the manager of the body shop was at lunch I asked the other guys but no one else seemed to know what I was talking about. So I did not get any additional documentation

 

[devmach-e]

Since Ford does the test and reports the number to EPA, it should be good. EPA never generates the number, they just sometimes audit it.

EPA has yet to post the numbers on their site. Nor the testing certificates from the tests for the 2022 model. I am very suspicious of the numbers as posted by Ford.

 

[RonTCat]

EPA has yet to post the numbers on their site. Nor the testing certificates from the tests for the 2022 model. I am very suspicious of the numbers as posted by Ford.

So what you're saying is Ford knows the number, gave the number to EPA, EPA will publish the number. But Ford then went and put a different number on their website than they gave to EPA. Hmmm. I can't follow that logic. Why would they do that?

 

[devmach-e]

So what you're saying is Ford knows the number, gave the number to EPA, EPA will publish the number. But Ford then went and put a different number on their website than they gave to EPA. Hmmm. I can't follow that logic. Why would they do that?

I can't answer that. All I know is that with the 2021 Select Standard range, there is a 19 mile range delta between the RWD and AWD versions. And with the Premium extended range battery pack, there is a 30 mile delta between the RWD and AWD version. It simply doesn't make sense that the California Route 1 RWD and AWD versions would have only a 2 mile difference. I would expect to see a at least a 30 mile difference. Ford didn't announce any major changes in horsepower output or curb weight for any of the 2022 models.

 

[zhackwyatt]

I can't answer that. All I know is that with the 2021 Select Standard range, there is a 19 mile range delta between the RWD and AWD versions. And with the Premium extended range battery pack, there is a 30 mile delta between the RWD and AWD version. It simply doesn't make sense that the California Route 1 RWD and AWD versions would have only a 2 mile difference. I would expect to see a at least a 30 mile difference. Ford didn't announce any major changes in horsepower output or curb weight for any of the 2022 models.

Ford is the one that derives the numbers as @RonTCat said, but I bet dollars to donuts they are trying to under promise and over deliver. So they are probably posting lower values than the actual EPA range is calculated at. They can legally post lower values, just not higher values than actual EPA.

 

[Tom L]

I can't answer that. All I know is that with the 2021 Select Standard range, there is a 19 mile range delta between the RWD and AWD versions. And with the Premium extended range battery pack, there is a 30 mile delta between the RWD and AWD version. It simply doesn't make sense that the California Route 1 RWD and AWD versions would have only a 2 mile difference. I would expect to see a at least a 30 mile difference. Ford didn't announce any major changes in horsepower output or curb weight for any of the 2022 models.

That's also what I think. Before I ordered my MME I looked at other EVs where I could compare AWD and RWD and similarly (but not quite scientifically) extrapolated at least a 30 mile difference in range between the CR1 AWD and RWD. I read that two factors contribute to the difference: weight of the front motor (70 lbs) and additional energy sapped for the increased torque.

 

[devmach-e]

Ford is the one that derives the numbers as @RonTCat said, but I bet dollars to donuts they are trying to under promise and over deliver. So they are probably posting lower values than the actual EPA range is calculated at. They can legally post lower values, just not higher values than actual EPA.

I’m well aware that they can use lower numbers than what the testing shows. But what I’m pointing out that for there to be a 2-mile difference between the AWD and RWD versions of the California Route 1, when there is a 23 to 26 mile difference between the Select and Premium versions, something is not right. Why totally understate the Select and Premium, but not the CA Route 1? It seems, well, dumb.

 

[devmach-e]

Forgive my ignorance but what are the differences with CArt1 AWD ER vs Premium AWD ER? Why such a big jump in mileage on the route1?

That’s exactly what we’re wondering, too. Which is why some us of are skeptical of all of the new numbers.

 

[Socalsp3]

Aero drag is the biggest factor, the extra motor is a small player.

Exactly..

There's no aero difference between the select/premium single and dual motor.

But maybe 18" wheel size+bigger battery has the bigger effect than single and dual motor

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