2022 Estimated Delivery Dates

[roz]

Just saw this article: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37972948/2022-ford-mustang-mach-e-updates/

“The company estimates that deliveries of the Select and California Route 1 models will start in February 2022, with deliveries of the Premium and GT models starting in April 2022.”

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[generaltso]

This is interesting:

Ford says that the EPA isn't retesting the 2022 Mach-E, so the official figures won't change from the current model

 

[roz]

This is interesting:

Ford says that the EPA isn't retesting the 2022 Mach-E, so the official figures won't change from the current model

So it sounds to me like they didn’t make other updates aside from unlocking ~3% of the usable battery capacity, and therefore the 2022 model range will be 3% more than 2021 across all trims? I ordered a CR1 and I noticed that the RWD model has 305 mi range estimate, while the new AWD option has 300 mi estimated. Seems to be inaccurate if the premium RWD/AWD difference is 30 miles.

 

[KZ6e1e]

Just saw this article: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37972948/2022-ford-mustang-mach-e-updates/

“The company estimates that deliveries of the Select and California Route 1 models will start in February 2022, with deliveries of the Premium and GT models starting in April 2022.”

October + 20 weeks is about Feb while October + 28 weeks is April.

Nothing earth shattering here.

 

[generaltso]

So it sounds to me like they didn’t make other updates aside from unlocking ~3% of the usable battery capacity, and therefore the 2022 model range will be 3% more than 2021 across all trims?

Ford has said that the 2021 models will get the increase in usable capacity as well (eventually).

 

[Bigfeets]

Ford's allocation system is still very "black box" to me. Does anyone know WHO decides which COUNTRY, and if US, WHICH STATE MME will be sent to from the Cuautitlan Plant? They must have a highly paid team sitting somewhere doing just that. Ford shipped more 2021 MME units to NON US customers than US. Within the US, they shipped more MME units to 10 ZEV states than to the other 40. How the dealer priority applies to this system is also unclear. Also, while California orders numerically dominate the orders from within the US, there is little information on the number of orders from Canada and Europe or how many California orders were filled. My dealer makes no effort to explain anything, forever stuck at priority 19, someday someone will give me a production date. BTW this is Day 10 of my estimated 196 day wait for MME Premium. Haha, joke's on me.

 

[Av8tor]

Ford's allocation system is still very "black box" to me. Does anyone know WHO decides which COUNTRY, and if US, WHICH STATE MME will be sent to from the Cuautitlan Plant? They must have a highly paid team sitting somewhere doing just that. Ford shipped more 2021 MME units to NON US customers than US. Within the US, they shipped more MME units to 10 ZEV states than to the other 40. How the dealer priority applies to this system is also unclear. Also, while California orders numerically dominate the orders from within the US, there is little information on the number of orders from Canada and Europe or how many California orders were filled. My dealer makes no effort to explain anything, forever stuck at priority 19, someday someone will give me a production date. BTW this is Day 10 of my estimated 196 day wait for MME Premium. Haha, joke's on me.

check this link:

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...process-explained-from-start-to-finish.12411/

 

[yngwenli]

Ford's allocation system is still very "black box" to me. Does anyone know WHO decides which COUNTRY, and if US, WHICH STATE MME will be sent to from the Cuautitlan Plant? They must have a highly paid team sitting somewhere doing just that. Ford shipped more 2021 MME units to NON US customers than US. Within the US, they shipped more MME units to 10 ZEV states than to the other 40. How the dealer priority applies to this system is also unclear. Also, while California orders numerically dominate the orders from within the US, there is little information on the number of orders from Canada and Europe or how many California orders were filled. My dealer makes no effort to explain anything, forever stuck at priority 19, someday someone will give me a production date. BTW this is Day 10 of my estimated 196 day wait for MME Premium. Haha, joke's on me.

Earlier this year, Ford sent a mass of vehicles to Europe (it was mentioned in that interview with Darren Palmer) to meet some emmissions or whatever law that's needed so even if they allocated certain cars for the US, they took those US cars I think and sent them to Europe since there was an greater emmissions requirement there.

I assume certain states have those requirements too and has much higher priority and why you're probably way down the list.

I'm guessing the dealer doesn't know the process and it's probably too much work/time to bother knowing/learning it since they don't make much $$ anyways.

Actually, you're in CA? Have you had a conversation with the dealer already?

 

[Bigfeets]

check this link:

https://www.macheforum.com/site/thr...process-explained-from-start-to-finish.12411/

Thanks for the link.

I've been looking for encouraging words about how Ford's promises about boosting production may actually lead to happier MME customers everywhere and less waiting times than Ford's 28 weeks for MME Premium. (I've seen no Ford MME production targets for 2022, yet.) The 2021 MME production was averaged above 6000 units per month from March thru July 2021, but fell off to nearly half that to end of production in Dec 2021 (chip shortage mostly). Using best monthly average production (~6000 units), Ford's Cuautitlan assembly plant could produce 36,000 MME units by end of June 2022. It seems improbable that they could ramp up production significantly in that time but I'm wishing them luck. Anyway, let's say that the first part of that production goes to complete the 2021 orders. Out of ignorance, I surmise that all January's production fulfills that need. Another guess, of the next, 30K units, let's say half of them go to NON-US destinations (Europe, Canada). Another guess, half of MME units that go to US are equally distributed to 11 ZEV States (Colorado added in 2022). This means only about 1300 2022 MME come to California or Mass. Can't find the data source I saw, but California orders are many times more numerous than all other states. Ford could probably ship all 15,000 to California and still not satisfy the demand. It seems clear that somebody is going to be waiting longer than others. I just want to find out there is a solid rationale, not luck, whimsy, or favoritism.

 

[Bigfeets]

Earlier this year, Ford sent a mass of vehicles to Europe (it was mentioned in that interview with Darren Palmer) to meet some emmissions or whatever law that's needed so even if they allocated certain cars for the US, they took those US cars I think and sent them to Europe since there was an greater emmissions requirement there.

I assume certain states have those requirements too and has much higher priority and why you're probably way down the list.

I'm guessing the dealer doesn't know the process and it's probably too much work/time to bother knowing/learning it since they don't make much $$ anyways.

Actually, you're in CA? Have you had a conversation with the dealer already?

I can understand being at the bottom of any ordering list if the list is based upon the date the order is initiated. That isn't the only factor maybe not even the most important factor. The "list" is actually several "lists", and the customer has little immediate information. When I was required to pick from nearby dealers while ordering online, I had no idea how that could be factor in the delivery date. My $1500 deposit did not gain me any advantage. Also, as I've been reading comments on this about how long or short a customer's wait was, I'm reminded that it's possible "past actions are no predictor of future outcomes". Hopefully, Ford's promises have follow through (microchip and battery supply improvements, increasing production). I am now actually hoping the dealer ignorance (or inability to provide information) is not very important at all. It's all about demand exceeding supply and how well Ford's production process responds to it.

 

[Av8tor]

Thanks for the link.

I've been looking for encouraging words about how Ford's promises about boosting production may actually lead to happier MME customers everywhere and less waiting times than Ford's 28 weeks for MME Premium. (I've seen no Ford MME production targets for 2022, yet.) The 2021 MME production was averaged above 6000 units per month from March thru July 2021, but fell off to nearly half that to end of production in Dec 2021 (chip shortage mostly). Using best monthly average production (~6000 units), Ford's Cuautitlan assembly plant could produce 36,000 MME units by end of June 2022. It seems improbable that they could ramp up production significantly in that time but I'm wishing them luck. Anyway, let's say that the first part of that production goes to complete the 2021 orders. Out of ignorance, I surmise that all January's production fulfills that need. Another guess, of the next, 30K units, let's say half of them go to NON-US destinations (Europe, Canada). Another guess, half of MME units that go to US are equally distributed to 11 ZEV States (Colorado added in 2022). This means only about 1300 2022 MME come to California or Mass. Can't find the data source I saw, but California orders are many times more numerous than all other states. Ford could probably ship all 15,000 to California and still not satisfy the demand. It seems clear that somebody is going to be waiting longer than others. I just want to find out there is a solid rationale, not luck, whimsy, or favoritism.

Yep, we are in strange times, part shortages, chip shortages, trucking shortages, ship shortages, train shortages.

Ford regions are doing their best to manage all these variables.

Their scheduling system is taking in account dealers' size, inventory at hand, and assigning allocations

• Thursdays the Ford Scheduling system Randomly creates a list via the computer of the dealers with orders
• It then will process 1 dealer and one car order at a time, going through the list Round-Robin. Meaning Dealer 1 first order, Dealer 2 first order, etc until all parts or capacity is exceeded.
• Example: The next dealer in the list it will look at the allocation, then it will look at the Parts required to produce the car, if both are Good, it gets schedule. Move onto the next dealer, rinse and repeat

 

[Av8tor]

I can understand being at the bottom of any ordering list if the list is based upon the date the order is initiated. That isn't the only factor maybe not even the most important factor. The "list" is actually several "lists", and the customer has little immediate information. When I was required to pick from nearby dealers while ordering online, I had no idea how that could be factor in the delivery date. My $1500 deposit did not gain me any advantage. Also, as I've been reading comments on this about how long or short a customer's wait was, I'm reminded that it's possible "past actions are no predictor of future outcomes". Hopefully, Ford's promises have follow through (microchip and battery supply improvements, increasing production). I am now actually hoping the dealer ignorance (or inability to provide information) is not very important at all. It's all about demand exceeding supply and how well Ford's production process responds to it.

@Bigfeets

Yep, order date has little influence in the big logistics picture with high demand and low supply. It would be great if we had someone on the forum that's their day job and can explain the complexities.

There are some smart people that are working these complexities, like how they figure out how to produce the car without chips so the assemble line can continue, have them sit, and then go back and add them when they have them. How no train cars available, they got them to a port and shipped them on a ship to the east coast in Florida.

I've even heard Ford was thinking of shipping unfinished cars to the dealer. I know that the Tesla store near me, is leasing an old gas station lot and has crammed as many unfinished cars as possible into it so they can wait for parts to finish them.

Crazy times.

 

[Bigfeets]

Does anyone know how to check on status of Cuautitlan Assembly Plant "retooling" and hiring for 2022 production increases?

 

[JamesInWeston]

Does anyone know how to check on status of Cuautitlan Assembly Plant "retooling" and hiring for 2022 production increases?

I do regular searches on "planta Ford Cuautitlan" for news on stoppages etc. I just looked for job listings and found the following, about 7 hours old.
"Powertrain Plant Vehicle Team (PVT) Engineer
Product Development (PD)
CSAP - Cuautitlan Stamping and Assembly Plant"

Found more searching on "planta ford cuautitlan bolsa de trabajo" with 63 openings on https://mx.indeed.com/m/jobs?q=Ford&l=Cuautitlán+Izcalli,+Méx.

 

[FLmac]

@Bigfeets

Yep, order date has little influence in the big logistics picture with high demand and low supply. It would be great if we had someone on the forum that's their day job and can explain the complexities.

There are some smart people that are working these complexities, like how they figure out how to produce the car without chips so the assemble line can continue, have them sit, and then go back and add them when they have them. How no train cars available, they got them to a port and shipped them on a ship to the east coast in Florida.

I've even heard Ford was thinking of shipping unfinished cars to the dealer. I know that the Tesla store near me, is leasing an old gas station lot and has crammed as many unfinished cars as possible into it so they can wait for parts to finish them.

Crazy times.

I work in an industry that is having the same (if not worse) supply chain issues Coaches are getting built without front seats and a 5 gal bucket is used as a seat to get it around the plant, dozens of units sitting without generators, DEF tanks, furniture, appliances. Some stuff even getting delivered to dealers incomplete. Basic parts for repairs that would normally arrive in a week or less are 3-6 months out. Pricing increasing multiple times a month and nothing is guaranteed. Customers waiting double the expected delivery and paying tens of thousands more than expected. It’s insane. I’m thankful for the demand, but wish it was back to “normal”.

I try to think of all this craziness when I want to pull my hair out over how unorganized and inept Ford seems to be. I realize they didn’t expect this demand and no one knew these supply issues would happen. I’m sure they are just hoping to get through all this without any major eff ups. Just hoping the next 5-7 months fly by, that my order doesn’t slip through the cracks and that I have the patience to make it through another Thursday with no production date.

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