😭😭😭 POST BATTERY CONTACTOR RECALL -- FIRST JUNCTION BOX FAILURE 😭😭😭😭

[phil]

No you want the software update. Without it your junction box can fry itself catestrophically. With the software you have a good chance of making it to a dealer under your own power without being stranded

I'm not so sure. If the software precipitates more frying incidents (call it "early detection", if you wish), then who needs the aggravation?

If the software produces no additional incidents, then maybe it's harmless and even helpful. But how would we know that for sure?

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[scoopman]

This sucks, but I’m confused as why you still wouldn’t want the new software? Seems like it fails better?

Totally agree that everyone should absolutely get this new software -- it will give you some warning if your contactors are failing instead of having them just pop open when driving, or seemingly more commonly they stick closed and then you can't restart your car after you turn it off without warning.

This gives you warning and in this way it's better than without the software.

But it's not the real fix you need for GT / GTPE and I think everyone's going to find this out the hard way. I think this is going to be a disaster for Ford -- these junction boxes will continue to fail -- and may cost them so much more in customer loyalty and PR than if they stood behind their product and replaced the underspec'd part.

 

[GuliblGuy]

Eeeesh. I have a Prem not a GT but got powertrain malfunction and high voltage battery warnings after fast charging on my way back from Vegas yesterday. It just said service vehicle soon and no power reduction as far as I could tell. Guess I'm very lucky the car didn't turtle.

Started it today and no wrench icon, taking to dealer tomorrow, curious what they will say.

 

[tfitzgex]

while I don't drive a GT, I have had the SSN, and they put a new HVBJB in, I'm wondering if it was a revised one or not.
12651D54 JUNCTION BOX - HIGH VOLTAGE BATTERY
(BEC) - REPLACE (10C666) - L

I'm bugging my dealer to get me the software fix. now I'm concerned about not being able to drive it long distance as I need to.

 

[scoopman]

How were you able to figure out they had all the right tools?

I asked the service manager if they had a battery sled and the tools to do the leak testing on the pack.

I also have had some folks from Ford reach out to me from my call to the Ford customer support center to open a case (what everyone should do -- see the other threads). Ford seems very interested that their new software did not prevent the failure only 2 days after the recall was released. They are helping to support this dealer and get the new junction box there.

 

[scoopman]

What happened when you turned the car off?

I did not turn the car off -- I left it on in park in the service lane at the dealer. I also yelled at their porter guy not to turn it off after the service advisor didn't tell the guy to leave it on.

I have no idea if the car will restart, but this is the dealer's issue now. They have dollies to push cars around if they need to do so, this can't be the first time a non-moving car shows up there.

 

[DevSecOps]

This sucks, but I’m confused as why you still wouldn’t want the new software? Seems like it fails better?

Scoop obviously has his opinion on this and it's valid. My comment on the other thread is because people think that this is a "fix". The thread title by Mach-Lee even says "fix". It's not a "fix" and people are rushing to the dealer over a 0.5% chance of failure to "fix" something that's not "fixable" with software.

Personally, I would rather it just fail on me when I'm stopped somewhere. The anxiety for me, and I'm a calm person, of it happening while driving would be much greater than "oh my car won't start". I would also be pissed that I have to drive under the limit with flashers on if I was on a freeway somewhere. Additionally, there's gonna be a lot of people here on the forum and elsewhere that see this message, stop and TURN OFF the car. That could indeed brick it, so therefore the warning could be far worse because someone could pull over along side the road and then be stranded. Normally, when I park places, it's not along the I5 (10 lane) freeway.

I don't think we should applaud the software "fix" at all. I think we should all stand up against it and demand that we get new HVBJB's. So for some people, maybe the software gives them a false sense of hope that their HVBJB is more protected, or maybe they like the idea that they can drive to a dealer. Not for me.

 

[scoopman]

Eeeesh. I have a Prem not a GT but got powertrain malfunction and high voltage battery warnings after fast charging on my way back from Vegas yesterday. It just said service vehicle soon and no power reduction as far as I could tell. Guess I'm very lucky the car didn't turtle.

Started it today and no wrench icon, taking to dealer tomorrow, curious what they will say.

Get someone on the board with FDRS your VIN immediately (there is a thread with volunteers with FDRS licenses). They can tell you the DTC codes and can let you know if your car has a contactor issue.

I suspect it very well might -- do not mess around with this and get it to the dealer. Park it nose out as you might need a tow when you try and start the car tomorrow.

 

[fpasta]

So much for your rest man. Shut it down get some shut eye. Glad yall made it out safe. At least the SW did what it said it suppose to do.

 

[scoopman]

Scoop obviously has his opinion on this and it's valid. My comment on the other thread is because people think that this is a "fix". The thread title by Mach-Lee even says "fix". It's not a "fix" and people are rushing to the dealer over a 0.5% chance of failure to "fix" something that's not "fixable" with software.

Personally, I would rather it just fail on me when I'm stopped somewhere. The anxiety for me, and I'm a calm person, of it happening while driving would be much greater than "oh my car won't start". I would also be pissed that I have to drive under the limit with flashers on if I was on a freeway somewhere. Additionally, there's gonna be a lot of people here on the forum and elsewhere that see this message, stop and TURN OFF the car. That could indeed brick it, so therefore the warning could be far worse because someone could pull over along side the road and then be stranded. Normally, when I park places, it's not along the I5 (10 lane) freeway.

I don't think we should applaud the software "fix" at all. I think we should all stand up against it and demand that we get new HVBJB's. So for some people, maybe the software gives them a false sense of hope that their HVBJB is more protected, or maybe they like the idea that they can drive to a dealer. Not for me.

This is not a fix at all -- it's an additional warning light telling you that there's a bigtime problem.

The message isn't severe enough (they just use a "service vehicle soon" message) but in the "coulda been worse" consideration, I'm really glad that I knew this was failing before it completely failed.

For example, it could have failed in the hotel parking garage with a horrible tow experience to look forward to the next day.

The turd-ling wasn't really bad, the car was still drivable but definitely not something you wanted to do for a long time.

 

[scoopman]

So much for your rest man. Shut it down get some shut eye. Glad yall made it out safe. At least the SW did what it said it suppose to do.

This is helping me, I was too amped up for most of the day.

 

[WyldStallyn]

I had literally 20 Ford dealers in the LA area to choose from

Pretty clear why you chose the taco stand dealership ...

Too soon? Apologies that my Photoshop skills are not to @DevSecOps standards.

 

[scoopman]

Scoop obviously has his opinion on this and it's valid. My comment on the other thread is because people think that this is a "fix". The thread title by Mach-Lee even says "fix". It's not a "fix" and people are rushing to the dealer over a 0.5% chance of failure to "fix" something that's not "fixable" with software.

Personally, I would rather it just fail on me when I'm stopped somewhere. The anxiety for me, and I'm a calm person, of it happening while driving would be much greater than "oh my car won't start". I would also be pissed that I have to drive under the limit with flashers on if I was on a freeway somewhere. Additionally, there's gonna be a lot of people here on the forum and elsewhere that see this message, stop and TURN OFF the car. That could indeed brick it, so therefore the warning could be far worse because someone could pull over along side the road and then be stranded. Normally, when I park places, it's not along the I5 (10 lane) freeway.

I don't think we should applaud the software "fix" at all. I think we should all stand up against it and demand that we get new HVBJB's. So for some people, maybe the software gives them a false sense of hope that their HVBJB is more protected, or maybe they like the idea that they can drive to a dealer. Not for me.

I do agree with you Todd that they did very little to have the right message in there -- it's also something that can be cleared (!) which is silly bad.

 

[EELinneman]

Scoop obviously has his opinion on this and it's valid. My comment on the other thread is because people think that this is a "fix". The thread title by Mach-Lee even says "fix". It's not a "fix" and people are rushing to the dealer over a 0.5% chance of failure to "fix" something that's not "fixable" with software.

Personally, I would rather it just fail on me when I'm stopped somewhere. The anxiety for me, and I'm a calm person, of it happening while driving would be much greater than "oh my car won't start". I would also be pissed that I have to drive under the limit with flashers on if I was on a freeway somewhere. Additionally, there's gonna be a lot of people here on the forum and elsewhere that see this message, stop and TURN OFF the car. That could indeed brick it, so therefore the warning could be far worse because someone could pull over along side the road and then be stranded. Normally, when I park places, it's not along the I5 (10 lane) freeway.

I don't think we should applaud the software "fix" at all. I think we should all stand up against it and demand that we get new HVBJB's. So for some people, maybe the software gives them a false sense of hope that their HVBJB is more protected, or maybe they like the idea that they can drive to a dealer. Not for me.

Todd, the only way Ford will do this is if a lot of people use lawyers, the auto media catches on to Ford's initial failure and attempt at a coverup and eventually the stock gets the crap beat out of it and heads roll.

It's far too easy to put software that kneecaps the power and call it a fix. Somebody will likely get a bonus for saving the company money for doing that. This has to get a lot worse before they will make a real fix.

 

[strangeengine]

Ugh, @scoopman, I am sorry. ?

Glad you and the fam are ok.

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