Decision between MME GT PE & Competitors; is 5 sec. perf. limit the deciding factor?

[Stang68]

Are you going to track your family car or drive at illegal speeds? If not, you're probably not going to notice.

Objectively, the BMW is still a compromise platform with a big transmission tunnel. Subjectively, I think all the new BMWs are ugly as sin.

I agree with this whole post.

If you’re not tracking the car then the 5 second limit doesn’t really matter. You’ll blow away most cars off a traffic light and can pass people on the highway still easily.

And that front of the i4 is awful, just terrible. BMW is slowly ruining their entire lineup.

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[SWO]

Excuse my finger in this photo, but just couldn't see spending that much money and seeing this ?

Now I'm starting to think it looks like a butt print, lol.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

I agree with this whole post.

If you’re not tracking the car then the 5 second limit doesn’t really matter. You’ll blow away most cars off a traffic light and can pass people on the highway still easily.

And that front of the i4 is awful, just terrible. BMW is slowly ruining their entire lineup.

In Southern California and Texas (lived in both) cruising speed is 80+ on long stretches. So passing speed can approach 90 or more for short stints. If you're going 70, you get flashed and tail gated. It can be dangerous to not keep up with traffic. So you do need the passing power, exactly at the point where power falls off on the GTPE.

I agree on the I4 styling. Sad, because I had multiple BMWs in the past and always like their style and suspension setup.

 

[Regulus7]

In Southern California and Texas (lived in both) cruising speed is 80+ on long stretches. So passing speed can approach 90 or more for short stints. If you're going 70, you get flashed and tail gated. It can be dangerous to not keep up with traffic. So you do need the passing power, exactly at the point where power falls off on the GTPE.

I agree on the I4 styling. Sad, because I had multiple BMWs in the past and always like their style and suspension setup.

I have had my GT for about 2 months now. First week I had it I was driving on I-684 and a Porsche Macan Turbo passed me, I was going 70mph. I floored it and passed him. I was going 115mph. We then both drove like 110mph for about 5 minutes… and I had no problem keeping up. Yes the power drops off. I have two other Porsches. But honestly there is plenty of power in the GT

 

[Studly]

I have had my GT for about 2 months now. First week I had it I was driving on I-684 and a Porsche Macan Turbo passed me, I was going 70mph. I floored it and passed him. I was going 115mph. We then both drove like 110mph for about 5 minutes… and I had no problem keeping up. Yes the power drops off. I have two other Porsches. But honestly there is plenty of power in the GT

My experience consistent with my GT. Of course, no speed limits were broken in the process.

 

[scoopman]

Now I'm starting to think it looks like a butt print, lol.

Here we go, I picked up dinner just before, and found a convenient parking spot for this conversation. This a M440i convertible for comparison.

 

[sookestang]

I don't hate my GTPE. I actually like it quite a bit. I don't like the ticking time bomb of when it will brick on me though. I don't like that I have to baby it in hope that it won't die and leave me stranded.

The GTPE has a lot going for it.

As far as just selling it, and get another car. Well in any other time that would be great, but currently everything has a 6mos+ wait to order or pay 10K ADM fee. neither are good options.

But if I was looking to put in an order now, I would consider other options, not because the GTPE is not a good car, but because of all the other things associated with it especially the unreliable Ford dealership and Ford cooperate.

Nothing in life is guaranteed. While I can understand concerns about something "bricking", you could also suffer a jammer before you get to drive. Life is short. Drive the car, enjoy the car and rest knowing there is a fairly easy, albeit somewhat annoying, fix.

 

[phil]

Nothing in life is guaranteed. While I can understand concerns about something "bricking", you could also suffer a jammer before you get to drive. Life is short. Drive the car, enjoy the car and rest knowing there is a fairly easy, albeit somewhat annoying, fix.

Qute right.

Except, of course, that two things in life are guaranteed.

 

[tesla2mme]

Qute right.

Except, of course, that two things in life are guaranteed.

It’s really just one if you’re wealthy enough.

 

[Ghost Ryder]

Nothing in life is guaranteed. While I can understand concerns about something "bricking", you could also suffer a jammer before you get to drive. Life is short. Drive the car, enjoy the car and rest knowing there is a fairly easy, albeit somewhat annoying, fix.

The problem is the percentages. And when it will brick and how long it will take for the dealer to fix. Given how many on this forum have been affected by it, I wager that it will happen sooner rather than later, especially knowing how I drive (Sustain hwy speed).

Just ticks me off that Ford knows that this will happen to all Mache built before May 2022, but is dragging its feet on offering the hardware fix to all. Better to be proactive than reactive.

 

[voxel]

I am seriously in the market to finally replace our 11 year old Chevy Volt with a full EV, that also has good performance. I love cars and own quite a variety, including a 2015 BMW M4. Thus, I would love to have an EV capable of transporting my small family on trips that also gives some "fun" when needed. I am all set to put the money down on the top of the line Mustang Mach E GT Performance Edition, especially since the overall acceleration is similar to my M4. However, this 5 second performance limit has me hesitating, thus I am actively looking at competitors. The BMW I4 M50 is a serious contender for me since it is in the same ballpark cost wise with similar performance, but without this 5 second penalty.

I am new to the Mustang ME forum world (but not Ford as I do have a Bronco finally) so am hoping others on here may have some speculation on this... Since I believe this can be changed through software, what is the chance Ford will see this as a bad marketing move, etc. and later reverse or change this performance limit; or atleast find another way to protect the battery that isn't so limiting.

So I own a GTPE and am an new i4 eDrive 40 owner (test drove a M50 first and have an order for one) with only 350 miles on it.

GTPE pros:

- The Unbridled acceleration is insane. Who cares about 5 seconds because you will be zipping around 90mph and getting a speeding ticket like I did lol.
- Miko seats are great
- Hands free BlueCruise is amazing.
- General safety features like blind spot monitors, cross traffic alerts, and lane keep assist ALL work better on the MME than the i4. BMW's LKA seems to get confused at intersections.
- Crossover seating/visibility
- Charging port in the front. This is a big one for me as I'm in downtown garages that don't have the space to back into chargers.

GTPE cons:

- Mediocre audio
- Cheap interior and one color choice (black)
- Bouncy (underdamped) suspension outside of Unbridled
- Efficiency/range are poor in this trim. I'm getting 2.6 to 2.8 mi/kWh so about 230 miles of range with 80% highway driving.

i4 pros:

- HK audio is truly premium. Better than Tesla's audio and vastly better than the MME B&O one.
- Premium interior
- Adaptive suspension (add-on). Properly sorted suspension in all modes with it.
- Slightly better efficiency/range over the GTPE because of aerodynamics.
- Numerous interior color choices.

i4 cons:
- Everything is an add-on with BMW. Features add up.
- M50 is pricy when fully configured ($76K) and no tax credit.
- M50 wait times might be longer than the MME. 12+ months dealers are telling me.
- It's a sedan with a low seating position and sedan visibility.
- No frunk.
- Limited rear storage even though it is a hatchback.
- Rear passenger space is tiny.

I don't think either of these EVs are great for "families" IMO. The i4 lacks space and the MME has suspension/ride issues.

Also, I personally would not road trip with a CCS based EV but that's just me. I got this BMW i4 at a steal because the friend who owned it previously had numerous problems with EA chargers. He drives to see patients daily and charging was a random ball of fun/unfun. He sold it for a small loss and bought a Audi S5 (his wife owns an e-tron).

 

[voxel]

Kyle's comments on the i4 vs. Model 3 Performance are dead on. The same comments apply to the MME. The interiors are cheap on the M3P + MME. If folks like the audio system on Teslas and the MME... then the i4 Harman Kardon is step above those two. It puts the Ioniq 5 and EV6 audio systems into the "ear bleeding bad" league.

 

[Mach1E]

I have had my GT for about 2 months now. First week I had it I was driving on I-684 and a Porsche Macan Turbo passed me, I was going 70mph. I floored it and passed him. I was going 115mph. We then both drove like 110mph for about 5 minutes… and I had no problem keeping up. Yes the power drops off. I have two other Porsches. But honestly there is plenty of power in the GT

Try that again…… in January.

Cold weather high speed performance is……. Horrible.

Literally slows to a crawl. Only watch this video if you want to be sad today: (unless you live in Florida like me where it doesn’t get cold)

 

[Valkyrja]

21 GTPE owner. I drive it like I have my other cars. I live in SoCal and love ripping up and down the mountain twisties. We have done a couple of long trips without issue although charging added some time.

I am not concerned with bricking at all. If it happens, it happens but we have not had any issues with the car so far.

Desert, mountains, sun, sand, and snow the car has done well by us. The extra cargo room has been very handy, especially coming from my old Camaro.

 

[voxel]

Also... this applies to the Mach-E also. You may not want a heavy EV.



I much prefer the handling of lighter RWD EVs like the Model 3 RWD and Mach-E RWD Standard Range over the chunkier/fatter bigger siblings like the Model Y and Mach-E ER or GT. These heavy EVs handle like fat bricks.

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