What would make you cancel your Mach-E reservation and buy something else?

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I searched the inventory of my local Jaguar dealer, the lowest list price of 2019 model is 81K.
That sounds like MSRP. Jaguar is offering significant manufacturer incentives to clear out the 2019 models. I would not be surprised if your local dealer offered to sell that example to you for under $65k. Can the Mach-E compete?
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Yes, a Mach E can. Can a two year old IPACE compete?
The Mach-E could't compete in 2018 (when the I-Pace was released) and still can't today. Apparently, I can't even sit in a Mach-E at the auto show here in D.C. to compare its interior with that of the $85k I-Pace I test drove months ago that now can be bought for $65k.

To your point, will the Mach-E be competitive 2-3 years after its release?
 

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My point is the first edition is sold out (of reservations), and last years model still hasn't sold out of the ipace. Time will tell if it really competes or not, but at least for now the answer is leaning heavily toward yes.
 

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My point is the first edition is sold out (of reservations), and last years model still hasn't sold out of the ipace. Time will tell if it really competes or not, but at least for now the answer is leaning heavily toward yes.
The number of Mach-E "reservations" that become actual sales remains to be seen. Until orders are accepted, those fully refundable deposits of only $500 merely represent capital voluntarily loaned to Ford interest free pending sufficient details to make a well-informed decision.

At MSRP, the 2019 I-Pace was out of reach for many, but with such deep clearance discounts, it is a more premium vehicle for about the same price as a well-optioned 2021 Mach-E. Reliability is questionable, but that is something we won't know about the Mach-E until it has been in the hands of owners as long, about two years from now.
 


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At MSRP, the 2019 I-Pace was out of reach for many, but with such deep clearance discounts, it is a more premium vehicle for about the same price as a well-optioned 2021 Mach-E. Reliability is questionable, but that is something we won't know about the Mach-E until it has been in the hands of owners as long, about two years from now.
I happened to be in the LA area when the auto show was on and the i-pace concept was first shown, still think it is the best looking EV to me eyes so far, another case of calling a hatch back a cross over lol. I inquired about the expected price and was told a little more than a well speced f-pace based on the that I was expecting it to be in the 65-70k range.

When it finally came out it was nice to see that it remained faithful to the concept and had not become watered down. I had my name down as interested for ages then once then configurator was on line it became apparent that to actually spec one similar to what I had seen all those years previous you ended up closer to 100k :( and the entry level 80k was never wotth it, so it is interesting to see that the dealers are having to drop the prices inline with what I originally thought it what is should have cost to move them.

The mach-e is still a distance off so I won't be jumping ship for a while but ford needs to make a good impression on me, the removal of cars from the USA that I was looking forward to and would actually want to purchase has ford in the dog house and last chance saloon.

BEV's are not cheap but for 60k I have certain expectations for build and material quality and ford do not always have the best track record when it comes to that, then again the tesla's I have been in are also pretty poor when it comes to materials quality :(.

Keeping my options open, I will still have an eye open on the polestar 2 and maybe the model Y performance, both the polestar 2 and tesla have the advantage online purchase. Tesla will no longer have any tax credits come the model Y so they may get very aggressive with the pricing. Any sign of dealer ADM or lack luster specifications for the mach-e and I am out.
 
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Totally make it fun! I always tell the salesman that he needs to want to sell it more than I want to buy it. I'm gonna buy the car, the only question is who is going to sell it to me.
 

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If the price for a Rivian R1S came down to be comparable to the Mach E, I might change my mind and get that instead. They have mentioned a price drop, as more competition enters the market. It would need to have a similar range to the Mach E. I especially like the dashboard displays, more integrated instead of a pasted on tablet. I don't need the third row seat, more cargo room would be nice.
 

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Would love to know what a model Y really costs in a comparable model to the mach-e. Seems like Tesla fudges it numbers a bit and extras cost a lot. Anyone know?
 

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Would love to know what a model Y really costs in a comparable model to the mach-e. Seems like Tesla fudges it numbers a bit and extras cost a lot. Anyone know?
It really depends.

You can’t configure a standard range model Y (completes with the select model Mach E) online, but we were told that will start at $40k versus $43k for the select Mach-E

The LR AWD Model Y is $53k and closely matches the premium Mach-E with ER and AWD of around $58k-ish.

The performance Model Y is $61k versus the Mach-E GT $60,500.

A few things to note:

If your tax liability is high enough, you can claim a $7500 tax credit for a Mach-E (for now).

Tesla has add-on’s for certain colors (ranges from $1k-$2k). Mach E also has a couple of colors that cost extra, but I think it’s around $600 at most

Tesla charges an extra $1k if you want the white interior versus black.

Tesla charges $7k for full self driving function. It remains to be seen if Ford will charge for their version when it’s released as an OTA (or how it will compare feature wise).

Other than the options above and some bigger wheels, Tesla doesn’t have any more add-ons. Certain Mach-E trim levels will have option packages that increase the cost stated above (certain options that come standard on the Premium are add-ons for the GT).

Tesla beats the Mach-E’s published estimates in terms of range, charging station availability, and power at almost every trim level (matches the GT in terms of 0-60).

Ford gives you the brand name and an extensive dealer network for repairs and service. (Plus a few Other small differentiators such as Apple CarPlay and an extra display in front of the driver).

We think the Mach-E might be bigger than the Model Y, but Tesla has not published figures.
 

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Tesla self driving function? still is vaporware. Tesla has been promising such for a number of years but has failed to deliver as if the CEO is using the owners as data collectors and a lump sum free payment for something that doesn't have to work.
 

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Some other thoughts on years of tesla watching, and a recent purchase. The Model Y when it comes out first quarter will skew to the 'Long Range' model. Odds are, if they do it like they did the 3 that will come out first, followed by the 'performance' and then the 'short range'. Things could be different they probably learned a lot from the 3 release and have done it in three markets now.

Other big things of the two I would expect the Model Y to be more efficient (range per watt). There really isn't much in the way of comparison on the Full Self Driving vs Ford CoPilot 2.0.

As near as I can tell, Ford CoPilot 2.0 = Autopilot on a Tesla. Full Self Driving is another $7k (today, maybe more any time now, as they add features they go up in price) but it is not full self driving yet. Depending on how they do it on the Y, Autopilot has a cost on some of the shorter range 3s (or it did, they've been a bit all over on this for a while as they figure out the market for it) My best suggestion right now to figure out a Y price is set up a Model 3 and add 10% :)

Right now the $7K gets you the 'have car drive to you in a parking lot(beta), and it will navigate when you are on a highway through interchanges, and then parallel and perpendicular parking, and it will lane change into an empty lane if someone is slower than your set speed. They state the next feature will be recognizing stop signs and stop lights and able to drive on navigation on city streets. There is no release date for this.

I personally own a Model X, but have not sprung for the $7k upgrade. It was $6k when I purchased in Oct 2019, so it does go up. They added the 'summon' in a parking lot thing the month I bought, and added $1k to the upgrade at the end of the month. It wasn't worth $7k to me.

As near as I can tell you'll need CoPilot 2.0 and then it looks like assist, and active park options in the Mach E. to get roughly what Autopilot has in the Tesla's. There is nothing committed that I've seen that would equal FSD.

That said, I think a lot of it between the Y and Mach E will be which styling choices you prefer as well. For me, there isn't much that I want in a Y as I hate the 'screen in center of dash' design. If the Y looked like my X with the two screens (like the Mach E) i probably would hesitate some. The efficiency is great and all, but if you're not driving hundreds of miles a week the gain you get over gas is already large enough.

There are other intangibles out there, like the time to repair a Tesla vs Ford. Odds are the Mach E body and if you get in a wreck might get fixed faster, again if parts are available. There are lots of stories out there with well documented long wait times. I don't think regular mainteance will matter that much between Ford vs Tesla, but repair times for body damage is longer on Tesla, and in some areas people have to fight with insurance. I have not experienced that myself so can't comment.

I'm very happy with my Tesla, and while I admire what they've done Ford as far as I'm concerned is the first big manufacturer to take things seriously. What I mean by that is they are releasing a real car, not some goofy 'compliance' or half assed car. My Bolt is great EV, but it's a POS car. The interior is cheap, the seats are uncomfortable for my fat butt, and it just looks cheap as hell inside. They didn't include adaptive cruse, or power seats, and made weird choices and blamed it on lame things like 'worried about battery life' as why no power seats. I'm not lazy manual adjusted seats are fine but I'm 5'10 and my wife is 5'4 and my 18 yo is 5'2, if they don't put the seat back i'm having a bad time. My Tesla (and every ford I owned since mid 2ks) knew what key was nearby and moved stuff, or had an 'easy entry' option which was even better.

I'm really excited to see the Mach E, and I hope it kicks the teeth in and is very successful. It'll stop all the nay sayers in the other manufacturers that are half assing it
 

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Again-Tesla full self driving $7000 option is still vaporware as it is NOT full self driving and there is no immediate indications that this will occur in the near future. It is a literally a rip-off at this point to pay that much and not to have it. As for Ford's Co-Pilot 2.0, the video does demonstrate lane change ability skills.
 
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Again-Tesla full self driving $7000 option is still vaporware as it is NOT full self driving and there is no immediate indications that this will occur in the near future. It is a literally a rip-off at this point to pay that much and not to have it. As for Ford's Co-Pilot 2.0, the video does demonstrate lane change ability skills.
Vaporware seems like it's not the right word. I've seen multiple Teslas drive themselves in parking lots. It's a useless party trick but it's definitely unique and indicative of where they're going. The cars aren't truly driving themselves on the open road yet but I've no doubt they'll get there someday. Personally, I've no interest in an autonomous car other than freeway driving but if others want to go that route, good on them.
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