TSB 23-2088 - Lack/Loss Of Heat And/Or Windshield Interior Fogging While Driving During Freezing Temperatures

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TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN
Lack/Loss Of Heat And/Or Windshield Interior Fogging While Driving During Freezing Temperatures
23-2088
17 March 2023​

This bulletin supersedes 22-2182.

Model:
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2021-2023 Mustang Mach-E

Markets: Canada, USA

Summary

This article supersedes TSB 22-2182 to update the Title, Issue, Action, and vehicle model years affected.

Issue: Some 2021-2023 Mustang Mach-E vehicles may exhibit a lack/loss of heat and/or windshield interior fogging while driving during freezing temperatures. This may be due to the heating ventilation and air conditioning (HVAC) control module software. To correct the condition, follow the Service Procedure to update the HVAC control module software.

Action: Follow the Service Procedure to correct the condition on vehicles that meet all of the following criteria:
• 2021-2023 Mustang Mach-E
• At least one of the following conditions:
- Lack/loss of heat while driving during freezing temperatures
- Windshield interior fogging while driving during freezing temperatures
Labor Times

DescriptionOperation No.Time
2021-2023 Mustang Mach-E: Reprogram The HVAC Module (Do Not Use With Any Other Labor Operations)
232088A​
0.4 Hrs.​


Service Procedure

1.
Reprogram the HVAC control module using the latest software level of the Ford Diagnosis and Repair System (FDRS) scan tool.

NOTE: Recommend the customer use AUTO mode and adjust the temperature to maximize heater performance.

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This is the HVAC update that appeared for everyone last week. This is a slightly updated version compared to Power-Up 3.6.1 released last fall and factory software on 2023's. This most recent version seems to include a few slight configuration tweaks compared to the previous version. This new TSB also mentions window fogging in cold temps, the previous did not.

Because the heater is a bit undersized in the Mach-E, below about 5ÂşF (-15ÂşC) heat becomes limited with 100% outside air. To combat this, the new HVAC strategy automatically opens and closes the fresh air door periodically in cold weather (so it operates in forced recirc mode). This increases heat output, but it also causes window fogging as humidity builds up in the cabin. This mode of operation is a fine balance between providing more heat and creating window fogging, so the fresh air door must be cycled carefully to keep the humidity level in check. The previous software version did improve heat levels down to about -10ÂşF/-23ÂşC (panoramic roof) or -19ÂşF/-28ÂşC (standard roof) in my testing, but some users reported fogging issues at times.

The latest version may tweak the parameters slightly to help reduce fogging further. I noticed in the previous version, the fresh air damper could remain closed a little too long and create some fogging before the next opening cycle. With wet floor mats and boots from snow, the fogging could be even worse. Hopefully this update helps reduce the fogging a bit more.

I've only had this latest version installed for a short time, too soon to really notice much difference yet. Unfortunately the really cold weather is behind us, so I won't be able to test in the extreme cold. Anecdotally, it does seem to tighten the humidity control loop a little more (there is a temp/humidly sensor above the rear mirror in the perforated cover), and may try to close the fresh air door more often for shorter periods. Unknown whether this would increase heat down to a colder temp than the previous version.

No major effects on en-route DC preconditioning in my testing, we are still stuck with the short 30 km geofence (the PCM would need an update to fix that).

I recommend everyone living in a climate zone 5 or higher (incl. Canada) to get this update. Unknown whether it will happen as an OTA, might take a while.
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No major effects on en-route DC preconditioning in my testing, we are still stuck with the short 30 km geofence (the PCM would need an update to fix that).
What's this geofence en-route to DCFC? Does that mean it won't warm the battery until you are within 30km of a DCFC destination?

I used the in-car nav to route to a DCFC for the first time last week. It got me from 57 deg F up to about 67 deg F on arrival. Seemed pretty good at the time, but then I was only pulling ~62kW from 45%-75% SoC (150kW EA station), which felt slow considering my temps were good to start the session.
 

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"Unfortunately the really cold weather is behind us" - thinks no one.
 

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What's this geofence en-route to DCFC? Does that mean it won't warm the battery until you are within 30km of a DCFC destination?

I used the in-car nav to route to a DCFC for the first time last week. It got me from 57 deg F up to about 67 deg F on arrival. Seemed pretty good at the time, but then I was only pulling ~62kW from 45%-75% SoC (150kW EA station), which felt slow considering my temps were good to start the session.
Yes - testing showed 30 km.
 


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What's this geofence en-route to DCFC? Does that mean it won't warm the battery until you are within 30km of a DCFC destination?

I used the in-car nav to route to a DCFC for the first time last week. It got me from 57 deg F up to about 67 deg F on arrival. Seemed pretty good at the time, but then I was only pulling ~62kW from 45%-75% SoC (150kW EA station), which felt slow considering my temps were good to start the session.
Yes, heating starts at 30 km. I think it should start at 75 km so there’s enough time at interstate speeds.

Fully warm is 77°F or higher for max speeds. So you were only halfway there with the heating (needs to be 2x as long).
 

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"Unfortunately the really cold weather is behind us" - thinks no one.
Except for me, I guess. Absolutely hate hot weather, love cold weather. Mileage almost does better during winter because heat is never running, but at some point the "loss" of capacity wins out ?
 
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FYI another new version of HVAC software was released in FDRS yesterday (LJ8T-18D619-AM). This time it's both a configuration and strategy update. There are about 280 additional lines of code and many small changes. Potentially some added or improved functionality.
 

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FYI another new version of HVAC software was released in FDRS yesterday (LJ8T-18D619-AM). This time it's both a configuration and strategy update. There are about 280 additional lines of code and many small changes. Potentially some added or improved functionality.
I am going to try and schedule an appointment in September to get these and any subsequent updates prior to next winter. I attempted to go with auto mode this first winter but windows always fogged up. I found manual control to work just fine and heat was fairly good until dropping below -20F but I do little highway driving.
 

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FYI another new version of HVAC software was released in FDRS yesterday (LJ8T-18D619-AM). This time it's both a configuration and strategy update. There are about 280 additional lines of code and many small changes. Potentially some added or improved functionality.
First time since 2021 that my mach-e outputs cold air…. I think I might go to the dealer to ask them to check all modules programming.
 

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First time since 2021 that my mach-e outputs cold air…. I think I might go to the dealer to ask them to check all modules programming.
Several reports of this recently on older cars (21/22). It seems to be heater failure.
 

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Several reports of this recently on older cars (21/22). It seems to be heater failure.
Well, sometimes it works pretty good. ie when I leave my garage.
But if I stop 20min at the grocery store, when I restart, only cold air…
 

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That’s odd. Could be a sticky coolant diverter valve.
What about the fact that Carscanner' Coolant Temperature is only 2.64kW, instead of 4-5kW?
 

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What about the fact that Carscanner' Coolant Temperature is only 2.64kW, instead of 4-5kW?
That’s heater power, not coolant temp, correct?
The coolant temps should also be available in CarScanner.
Perhaps a bad temp sensor causing the car to think the coolant is hot when it’s really not?
At this point we’re just guessing…it’s time to to do troubleshooting.
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