Mach-E to gain access to Tesla Superchargers! Get standard NACS port starting 2025! [⚠️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS / SOCIAL / MUSK COMMENTARY]

[ChasingCoral]

I’d imagine along with moving away from CCS, Ford will move the charge port to the rear driver side, like Tesla has. Port location will also end up being as proprietary as charger connection. That alone opens up older superchargers to Ford & on Tesla’s side eliminates a non Tesla taking up 2 spots.

It also means less retrofitting on Teslas end & sets a precedent that Tesla can meet the federal requirement in making all non Tesla’s able to charge - if they follow the model Ford did.

Don't tow much, do you?

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[rhougey]

Seems like Beta won this time around #IYKYK

As a previous owner of Sony Super-Beta Hi-Fi, who wound up downgrading to VHS, I say Tesla has made a significant tactical move that Sony was never willing to do.
And Ford scored here, too.
And we all benefit as well.
Good for Mr. Musk and Mr. Farley.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Don't tow much, do you?

Yeah, a tow vehicle with a rear port is a non-starter. Even if I have no trouble dropping the trailer from time-to-time, I don't want to always have to drop the trailer; I'd look for a different truck/tow vehicle rather than lock myself into that.

 

[Billyk24]

Positive development. Now what about that massive Federal Government program to install ---CCS---chargers? Should it be modified to be a mix of CCS and NACS? Modified to be just NACS? Hate to say it but could CCS become the betamax of charging in the next several years and Uncle Sam continues to install such chargers?

 

[BalsaDust]

Positive development. Now what about that massive Federal Government program to install ---CCS---chargers? Should it be modified to be a mix of CCS and NACS? Modified to be just NACS? Hate to say it but could CCS become the betamax of charging in the next several years and Uncle Sam continues to install such chargers?

I doubt that the CCS will fade away into obscurity, Ford did not state they were definitely doing away with it and just look at all the other manufacturers that combined, will eventually outnumber Tesla vehicles on the road.

Tony

 

[SteveEngineer]

Does this mean that future Ford EV‘s will be limited to 400 volt architectures like Teslas are? :-( Hopefully not! Perhaps the SuC charge port will be on the right rear so the Supercharger cable will reach? Right now I see Teslas charging on CHADEMO and SAE CCS dispensers at EA with adapters because it is cheaper than at SuC.

 

[ymmrob]

As far as I'm concerned there's no downside here. Give me supercharger access right now.

Whoever says CCS is better than NACS is out of their mind.

Bold move on Ford's part, and quite frankly I'm glad I don't have a different brand of EV at this point.

 

[1967coupe]

Yeah, a tow vehicle with a rear port is a non-starter. Even if I have no trouble dropping the trailer from time-to-time, I don't want to always have to drop the trailer; I'd look for a different truck/tow vehicle rather than lock myself into that.

As someone who has towed a lot with an F-150 (gas, not electric) and 30ft trailer I would agree with you...except I also can't envision parking nose-in into a charging station with my fancy future electric truck with ~40ft of the tail of my truck and the entire trailer sticking out regardless of where the charge port is located.

The only way this works is if there are special pull-through chargers or very spaced out truck/trailer only chargers along the edge (parallel parking style 80-100ft apart). As an example of a similar situation...I really don't see 18-wheelers pulling up to a normal parking spot charger and expecting to charge either. Right now they fill up with diesel at a special pull-through island, and I think that future charge points will have to accomodate something similar. Being as Tesla is making an electric semi sometime, I am assuming they'll have to create a network of DC fast chargers that allow pull-through access for large trailer laden vehicles.

I wouldn't hold my breath for this to appear anytime soon...I think for the time being you'll be stuck with the inconvenient part of owning and towing with an EV and have to drop the trailer to charge most times unless you find the unicorn station that you can pull up to the end charger parallel or pull through.

Maybe you could find a Supercharger like this one and make it work?

 

[ChasingCoral]

Yeah, a tow vehicle with a rear port is a non-starter. Even if I have no trouble dropping the trailer from time-to-time, I don't want to always have to drop the trailer; I'd look for a different truck/tow vehicle rather than lock myself into that.

Exactly. That’s why charger ports on trucks will stay at the front rather than the back.

 

[1967coupe]

Does this mean that future Ford EV‘s will be limited to 400 volt architectures like Teslas are? :-( Hopefully not! Perhaps the SuC charge port will be on the right rear so the Supercharger cable will reach? Right now I see Teslas charging on CHADEMO and SAE CCS dispensers at EA with adapters because it is cheaper than at SuC.

The new v4 Superchargers are capable of up to 615kW at 1000V, but the existing v3's are limited to 500V I believe.

 

[CAL465]

The partnership was needed. I’m happy to be able to use their chargers.

I’m tired of seeing 4 EA but only two working while on the other side there are 30 chargers to chose from.

unless EA or others plan on doing the same they should take any $$ money Offer they get from Ford, Tesla or even Apple (sooooo behind on EVs) to buy them out. Apple should have bought Tesla when Ellon willing to sell it to them.

 

[DadzBoyz]

Positive development. Now what about that massive Federal Government program to install ---CCS---chargers? Should it be modified to be a mix of CCS and NACS? Modified to be just NACS? Hate to say it but could CCS become the betamax of charging in the next several years and Uncle Sam continues to install such chargers?

Yeah, but Betamax was actually better than VHS.
It was invented and sold by Sony, who required other companies to license it to use it. Pretty much everyone in the industry refused and went with VHS because it didn’t have to be licensed.
Eventually, Sony tried to make it an open standard (low or no licensing), but by then, everyone else had invested and committed to VHS and Betamax died the death of hubris.

Actually, the Tesla Supercharger network is similar to Sony in the story, but the made a crucial different choice.
The Supercharger network is bigger and superior to the other networks. The crucial different choice was that they open-sourced it (NACS) much sooner, before non-NACS car sales eclipsed Tesla sales.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

As someone who has towed a lot with an F-150 (gas, not electric) and 30ft trailer I would agree with you...except I also can't envision parking nose-in into a charging station with my fancy future electric truck with ~40ft of the tail of my truck and the entire trailer sticking out regardless of where the charge port is located.

The only way this works is if there are special pull-through chargers or very spaced out truck/trailer only chargers along the edge (parallel parking style 80-100ft apart). As an example of a similar situation...I really don't see 18-wheelers pulling up to a normal parking spot charger and expecting to charge either. Right now they fill up with diesel at a special pull-through island, and I think that future charge points will have to accomodate something similar. Being as Tesla is making an electric semi sometime, I am assuming they'll have to create a network of DC fast chargers that allow pull-through access for large trailer laden vehicles.

I wouldn't hold my breath for this to appear anytime soon...I think for the time being you'll be stuck with the inconvenient part of owning and towing with an EV and have to drop the trailer to charge most times unless you find the unicorn station that you can pull up to the end charger parallel or pull through.

Maybe you could find a Supercharger like this one and make it work?

Large trucks will need to use the MegaWatt Charging System to be viable.

I've also towed a few hundred thousand miles. I'm pretty fast at dropping and rehooking a trailer. I still don't like the idea of being locked into having to do that at basically every stop.

There are examples of people in this forum and others towing with their F-150 across the country using all sorts of configurations of chargers, sometimes dropping their trailer and often not.

I won't be buying any vehicle that uses the brand t charging ports.

 

[eleven24]

Don't tow much, do you?

Don’t see the supercharger stalls designed for vehicles towing something, do you?

 

[ridgebackpilot]

Great news! I owned a Tesla Model 3 for two years and lots of road trips. Tesla Superchargers were fast, readily available, and very reliable. I seldom had a problem charging at any Supercharger, and look forward to using them to charge my Ford EVs.

That said, I'm not a huge fan of the NACS plug. One of the few times I had to call Tesla Mobile Service was to replace a broken NACS receptacle on my Model 3. The connectors seem somewhat less robust than their CCS counterparts.

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