Non-EV vehicles taking up chargers

[Maquis]

Isn't doing something to avoid paying for something called theft? I feel like there's a law about that.

Only if there’s a law against whatever is being done.

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[OON7]

I agree. The child in me laughed when I saw it because it's ingenious and creative. $7.99 vs $250 a month. Gotta give credit where it's due.

It's such an easy problem to fix, anyone using the parking lots pays, done. Not shocked that the kids out smarted the educators.

Not saying you're wrong (because you're not), but I'll tell ya it really sucks when you do pay to park somewhere specifically because they have chargers and all the chargers are iced.

 

[MW1515]

If you read the comments on the facelessbook post you will see this is from several years ago and the person rsponsible has been caught

I would guess they got caught within 72 hours of that FB post!

 

[Hammered]

I would guess they got caught within 72 hours of that FB post!

I'm guessing the OP of that post was trying to do just that. Being a cocky dipshit tends to get more attention than being a tattletale.

Not shocked that the kids out smarted the educators.

Generous verbiage.

It's hard not to tip one's hat a creativity.

It's unfortunate this article is written in a way to cast doubt on the validity of these non-binary job seekers individual beliefs.

https://www.wired.com/story/grace-hopper-celebration-career-fair-men/

 

[ctenidae]

Only if there’s a law against whatever is being done.

Parking without paying, in this case, stealing a parking spot (aside from being a jerk and ICEing a charger).

 

[YunniorO]

Incentivizing free anything because someone owns an EV is wrong.

Parking in a parking spot for charging EVs when not charging is wrong.

Both are wrong. Stop giving free shit to people because they own an EV and broke college students won't find ways to do stupid crap like this.

I question the legitimacy of this story. I’ve never been anywhere that offers free parking just because you have an EV. I have been to a few places that offer free charging, but you still have to pay for parking.

It definitely seems like another made up story to make people get upset about EVs. Then again, my single handed experience doesn’t mean it’s not happening elsewhere.

I do agree though, if it is a true story, that’s not fair. Free charging? Alright, but they should still have to pay for parking regardless.

 

[Scott Libre]

I like the idea of businesses, schools or any other entity being able to give free incentive to EV owners. It is there choice. It makes sense to incentivize potential customers to come to your business, for example, the Target in the area where I live offers 2 hours of free charging.

The root problem is definitely someone trying to break the rules, which you know, eventually they will get caught and end up paying more to get their vehicle pulled out of a towing lot.

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

I would guess they got caught within 72 hours of that FB post!

The incident, if it’s real that is, occurred about a year ago. It was published by the “perpetrator” on TikTok and then Jalopnik picked it up and ran with it. Jalopnik’s verification of the story consisted of checking Amazon to see if there really was such a product for sale and seeing if SMU’s (or wherever it’s supposed to have occurred) parking fee was really $250 per year. There is and it was.

Since then, the photos have been stripped out and published in other media platforms to drive traffic up. So was this real or just a gimmick for TikTok? ?‍

 

[Mirak]

All I can say to the guy who dreamed this up… RESPECT.

 

[RKinWA]

If it's a pay lot, they should pay for parking whether charging or not.

I'd be in favor of actually charging more for charging spots, just to keep the non-EVs away ?

 

[mkhuffman]

the Target in the area where I live offers 2 hours of free charging.

The root problem is definitely someone trying to break the rules, which you know, eventually they will get caught and end up paying more to get their vehicle pulled out of a towing lot.

Personally, I have seen worse behavior from BEV drivers than ICE drivers. People plug in and then leave their car there for longer than it takes to charge. Consistently. And they should all know better.

And I have seen people unplug, and plug back in after the two hours is up.

I have seen Teslas park in a charging space and not even plug in, because I guess they think because they drive a BEV they can park there.

The root cause is free charging. People are a-holes, and free charger abuse is very common. The bank of EVSEs at my office are usually more than 50% occupied by fully charged cars. A-holes, all of them.

Nobody gets towed, and nobody will. Target won't do it, and garage operator at my office will not do it. So the a-holes keep on hogging the EVSEs. Charge them and they will move. Charge a big idle fee and they will move. Otherwise, this problem will continue to exist.

 

[DevSecOps]

I like the idea of businesses, schools or any other entity being able to give free incentive to EV owners. It is there choice. It makes sense to incentivize potential customers to come to your business, for example, the Target in the area where I live offers 2 hours of free charging.

The root problem is definitely someone trying to break the rules, which you know, eventually they will get caught and end up paying more to get their vehicle pulled out of a towing lot.

Can you try an apples to apples? How well do you think Target would do if they charged everyone who didn't own an EV to use their parking lot? That's the correct comparison.

While I agree that businesses can do what they want, including denying service to people as they so choose, free charging is a bane on EV ownership. It encourages people to use our limited resources for benefit rather than necessity and will only continue to amplify the issues with charging infrastructure.

 

[SWO]

Personally, I have seen worse behavior from BEV drivers than ICE drivers. People plug in and then leave their car there for longer than it takes to charge. Consistently. And they should all know better.

And I have seen people unplug, and plug back in after the two hours is up.

I have seen Teslas park in a charging space and not even plug in, because I guess they think because they drive a BEV they can park there.

The root cause is free charging. People are a-holes, and free charger abuse is very common. The bank of EVSEs at my office are usually more than 50% occupied by fully charged cars. A-holes, all of them.

Nobody gets towed, and nobody will. Target won't do it, and garage operator at my office will not do it. So the a-holes keep on hogging the EVSEs. Charge them and they will move. Charge a big idle fee and they will move. Otherwise, this problem will continue to exist.

There's definitely a lot of entitlement from BEV owners. I think it comes from the folks who were using these free spots 10 years ago when they were empty. Most of these people are Tesla owners which adds to the pretentious Tesla owner persona.

 

[dbsb3233]

Personally, I have seen worse behavior from BEV drivers than ICE drivers. People plug in and then leave their car there for longer than it takes to charge. Consistently. And they should all know better.

And I have seen people unplug, and plug back in after the two hours is up.

I have seen Teslas park in a charging space and not even plug in, because I guess they think because they drive a BEV they can park there.

The root cause is free charging. People are a-holes, and free charger abuse is very common. The bank of EVSEs at my office are usually more than 50% occupied by fully charged cars. A-holes, all of them.

Nobody gets towed, and nobody will. Target won't do it, and garage operator at my office will not do it. So the a-holes keep on hogging the EVSEs. Charge them and they will move. Charge a big idle fee and they will move. Otherwise, this problem will continue to exist.

That's why the "ABC" model (Always Be Charging) is a bad one and shouldn't be encouraged. It makes little sense for a store to install L2 chargers. An hour of L2 does very little. Minor benefit if used the right way (a short charge), so therefore people try to use it the wrong way (hog it for half the day) to get enough benefit to make it worthwhile. It creates a game of musical chairs to get an open one, and a lot of frustration when they can't. It's paramount to 80% of gas stations being out of gas. Lose-lose.

That can't be the norm if this EV thing is going to work en masse. The VAST majority of locals need to charge overnight where they sleep. That's where efforts need to be focused (apartment/condo/hotel L2), along with travel route DCFC for road trips, but that's already well underway. ABC L2 just encourages people to think they can easily live with an EV without home charging, which is usually a recipe for disaster.

 

[SWO]

That's why the "ABC" model (Always Be Charging) is a bad one and shouldn't be encouraged. It makes little sense for a store to install L2 chargers. An hour of L2 does very little. Minor benefit if used the right way (a short charge), so therefore people try to use it the wrong way (hog it for half the day) to get enough benefit to make it worthwhile. It creates a game of musical chairs to get an open one, and a lot of frustration when they can't.

This is a problem at my office. There's 2 free chargers and about 8 EVs parking in the garage. If I walk down to move my car at 10am there's a 95% chance the lot is completely full (IE, nowhere to move to). I put a note on my window telling people to "call/text me at XXX-XXXX to swap spots" but that's only happened a couple times.

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