Personal observation in range anxiety along with a infrastructure failure.

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My wife and I had an interesting experience today with our mock E and it was a good test to see if battery powered vehicles really are something that is as easy as a gas powered vehicle to on in certain situations.

Today we left the house with less than a full tank no pun intended anyways we drove to LA basically South Bay and thought hey we could probably hit one of the fast chargers in the area as the map noted many .

Unfortunately this wasn't the case there weren't many available in the ones that were were unavailable I went to six separate charging stations within the Bay Area including the ones around the mall the only fully functional charging area was one at the South Bay Mall I believe in Torrance that was all Tesla base they had something like over 20 and only five cars are on them and every single one of them was functional.


But let me step back a little further so I figured hey I'll use the Ford functionality to see where there's a local fast charger city of Torrance . Add the map service take me there to find out that in fact the fast charger was broken so I thought OK we'll all go to the electrify America at the mall I pull into a space the screen goes charger unavailable man comes running up to me at the same time and goes hey I was gonna park there well that's BMW drivers for you anyways that charging station was not available so I drove around a little bit picking maybe somebody would leave no no one left. At this point the vehicle was at 30% charge. And this is the first time I've had range anxiety or slight lack of ability to charge anxiety for lack of a better term. So I went to an EV go site that was all 240s unfortunately there was three cars there 10 places to charge all of them that weren't being in use were all broken they all had red lights meaning they didn't work. That's where I noticed that Tesla charging area look brand new looks like 20 stalls and only five cars. There is really something to be said for the Tesla infrastructure I think they know how to do it best but I could be wrong. So I went to this ChargePoint location at a city Park it noted a DC fast charger and multiple chargers one was working with one car on it the rest of them were broken including the fast charger. I went to another EVG location to find that all of the charging stations were unavailable. Back on the road again I have driven around within a 3 mile radius of the location I was at in Torrance trying to find a place to charge and top off a little bit while my wife was at her dentist appointment. Still looking for a place to go there were some charging stations available that were many miles away but you figured by the time you get there they're probably being taken I haven't looked for off busy areas such as banks parks and other locations that you wouldn't think would have a lot of people at them at this time but that just didn't work I ended up going back to the city of Torrance 240 V charger that was available there was one left thankfully it worked and I was able to add get this a whole 10 miles it's been an hour and 10 minutes to add 10 miles to the car I still had to drive to Culver City to meet up with friends for lunch with my wife I thought well maybe we can charge on the way back I didn't take much power to get to Culver City from Torrance which was the great news.

Not always trusting the MachE range statement we decided that we would have an experiment and see how far we could get to go before we ran really low the good news was the car performed really well when you left the radio off and the HVAC systems off and ended up getting back home with approximately 12% battery which I thought was pretty good considering freeway driving in about 70 on the way back kudos to Ford and having a longer range battery for sure.

I know this isn't the most eloquent piece of piece of writing but I wanted to say that if you don't leave home topped off you could always end up with some charging station anxiety or range anxiety because a lot of these locations that you think have a lot of chargers for our type of vehicles they tend to be out of service in the bay area in LA I found this to be true every time we went up into LA specially so keep that in mind if you're gonna go over 100 miles make sure you're got a full charge to make sure you can make it back don't rely on the charging infrastructure because it's always let me down everywhere I've went in Orange County in LA.
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With the current price of gas here compared to the high DCFC prices, it's about the same cost to drive my v8 pickup truck. We may just use the truck for longer trips. The MME is nicer but not practical on trips financially and timewise.
 

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You need to use the right tools. PlugShare. ABRP.

When Tesla opens 15,000 Superchargers early in 2024, range anxiety should go away for many.

But... in densely EV-populated areas, it is a vastly different experience. We have Tesla locations with 25% usage or less. We don't have 120 station locations.
 

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My wife and I had an interesting experience today with our mock E and ….
TLDR;
You probably should not have bought an EV. But, since you did buy an EV, start using the plugshare app instead of randomly driving around ranting about it. California has LOTS of chargers.
 
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Thank you for the tip on the app PlugShare I've never heard of it. Don't get me wrong my golf cart and I get along great it's just when we go outside the country club things get a little crazy.
 


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You need to use the right tools. PlugShare. ABRP.

When Tesla opens 15,000 Superchargers early in 2024, range anxiety should go away for many.

But... in densely EV-populated areas, it is a vastly different experience. We have Tesla locations with 25% usage or less. We don't have 120 station locations.
That's what irritates me, I don't have 10 apps to find a gas station with at least 1 pump that works. Even with all the apps it can still be hit or miss. Plugshare says an EA station I use says 10 stars. But get there only 2 of 4 working for last 2.5 years. It is not a successful charge if I have to move car, wait for 1 hour, etc. Use the EA app says all 4 working only to arrive and only 2 work. And Ford navigation will take you to broken chargers, or level 2 chargers and tell Mr to charge for 6 hours. Even retired stopping for 6 or more hours is not practical.
 

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TLDR;
You probably should not have bought an EV. But, since you did buy an EV, start using the plugshare app instead of randomly driving around ranting about it. California has LOTS of chargers.
I agree that CA has more chargers, but the majority of them are either: unavailable, broken, offline, or a huge line of EA folks waiting for their "free charges".

I always plan my trips so if I were to venture into OC or the South Bay, I always have backup plans ready for charging.

Last weekend we were in OC and did find a working EVGo charger (my favorite) and got a quick 30 minute charge and was on our way.

Just to note that I have over 300kW of free charging available Ford Pass / EA but refuse to go to them due to the huge lines of other EV brand owners waiting in a line to charge....

I'd rather pay EVGo - get a no wait, AutoCharge+ P&C working fast charger.

Ford Mustang Mach-E Personal observation in range anxiety along with a infrastructure failure. Screenshot 2023-12-19 at 10.29.14
 

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I agree that CA has more chargers, but the majority of them are either: unavailable, broken, offline, or a huge line of EA folks waiting for their "free charges".

I always plan my trips so if I were to venture into OC or the South Bay, I always have backup plans ready for charging.
It's essential for everyone to be doing checkins when using Plugshare. So if you are mostly using the app as just a reference, please start recording your experience at each charger when you stop there.
I've found that in the Northeast, Plugshare is pretty up-to-date with showing locations that have broken units or degraded speeds.
 

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Reading that confirms my feelings: If you can't charge an EV at home, don't buy one.

Red Rock Casino has a bank of Tesla chargers. The repair guys were dismantling a couple the other day to get them back in operation. I don't like Musk, but I'm convinced he will fire people for chargers being down too long.

It seems like there would be a business opportunity in these dense areas for the equivalent of an old full-service gas station for EVs, especially if it had food, coffee, etc.
We stayed at Red Rock last week (and Durango, Silverton, and South Point). They all have L2 chargers which works great for us... when we can get on one. And when they're working. Nearly half of the Chargepoints at Red Rock and Silverton are always broken.

The South Point L2s (Bosch) are as dependable as it gets though. Never seen a broken one. But finding one available is a rarity.

Durango has Tesla destination chargers. And they're not free. Had to use the Teslatap and pay 25c/kWh via the app. It was our final night before returning home though, so still the best option.
 

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It's essential for everyone to be doing checkins when using Plugshare. So if you are mostly using the app as just a reference, please start recording your experience at each charger when you stop there.
I've found that in the Northeast, Plugshare is pretty up-to-date with showing locations that have broken units or degraded speeds.
I get what you’re saying, but it shouldn’t be our job to tell these companies that their chargers are broken. When is the last time you had to tell someone a gas pump was not working?

These DCFC stations are all connected. if there is an issue, they should self-report to the company that they are down. And before you come at me with “what about if the network connection is the broken part?”, the mothership should be polling them on a regular basis for status, and a no reply should be considered a fault requiring maintenance attention. There is only one network out there in the USA that you can count on chargers working, and that’s because that company spends money on maintenance and repair.
 

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I get what you’re saying, but it shouldn’t be our job to tell these companies that their chargers are broken. When is the last time you had to tell someone a gas pump was not working?

These DCFC stations are all connected. if there is an issue, they should self-report to the company that they are down. And before you come at me with “what about if the network connection is the broken part?”, the mothership should be polling them on a regular basis for status, and a no reply should be considered a fault requiring maintenance attention. There is only one network out there in the USA that you can count on chargers working, and that’s because that company spends money on maintenance and repair.
100% agree, but unfortunately "self reporting" is one of the best tools right now in the EV charging world.
 

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100% agree, but unfortunately "self reporting" is one of the best tools right now in the EV charging world.
And what we're really doing with Plugshare checkins/comments is report the status to other drivers. The charging networks might look at it too (hopefully), but it's mainly for the benefit of drivers helping each other out.
 

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I get what you’re saying, but it shouldn’t be our job to tell these companies that their chargers are broken. When is the last time you had to tell someone a gas pump was not working?

These DCFC stations are all connected. if there is an issue, they should self-report to the company that they are down. And before you come at me with “what about if the network connection is the broken part?”, the mothership should be polling them on a regular basis for status, and a no reply should be considered a fault requiring maintenance attention. There is only one network out there in the USA that you can count on chargers working, and that’s because that company spends money on maintenance and repair.
The benefit of plug share is not that companies will fix their chargers... surely they know if they are broken...

The benefit is that other drivers are warned about the broken chargers.

February can not come soon enough for Tesla Super Charger access.
 

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I know this isn't the most eloquent piece of piece of writing...
It is a difficult read, to be sure. Made my eyes hurt. Glad you got home OK, though.

Maybe sitting down and doing a little bit of editing and adding punctuation might help inform future readers. I almost bailed because it was so hard to get through.
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