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I said it was my opinion. And it is.
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In order to get the benefit of a PHEV you need to be able to charge it regularly (likely daily), otherwise it operates as a regular hybrid. So if you can't easily charge, spending the extra money for PHEV is a waste of money as you will never recover the extra cost through fuel savings.
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There's some but it's very rare. We often use one in Richfield UT a block from the hotel we stay at on the way to Vegas. It's at a state dept of transportation building, out front for public use. ChargePoint units are host-owned and they can set the rates however they want, so they're all over the place.
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As others have said, I would never buy a BEV without cheap, dependable L2 where I slept. Or maybe worked, but probably not then either because ya never know when they'd take it out, or I'd change jobs, etc. I want it where I sleep. That's the way this all really works well. Anything else is just not worth the exercise in frustration.
Scavenging for L2 at the grocery store, the office building next door, the school across the street, etc is a PITA (and in many cases just plain wrong).
And locals relying on DCFC all the time is even worse. Takes up half an hour every time (longer when there's a line)... ties up limited chargers from road trippers that are far from home and have no choice... is expensive... often takes you well out of your way... offers very few places to charge where I'd get sick and tired of eating at the same 2 restaurants week after week... and so on.
Scavenging for L2 at the grocery store, the office building next door, the school across the street, etc is a PITA (and in many cases just plain wrong).
And locals relying on DCFC all the time is even worse. Takes up half an hour every time (longer when there's a line)... ties up limited chargers from road trippers that are far from home and have no choice... is expensive... often takes you well out of your way... offers very few places to charge where I'd get sick and tired of eating at the same 2 restaurants week after week... and so on.
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Why would anybody want more ev adoption with all the complaints about inadequate and high priced DCFC charging out there.
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Free fast charging is extremely rare. Hotel chains may have free level 2 charging available to guests, or may charge for it. Some seem to have level 2 charging, but then it's broken or not activated or otherwise unusable. Shopping areas may have free level 2 charging to encourage people to come shop. If there is a fast charger in proximity to a restaurant or store that people like to frequent, it will require payment, and even then may be full. If fully free, it's bound to be full. As I said before, I have only seen 3 free fast chargers. Two were at Nissan dealerships, and one of those two is now pay for. The third was at a small town municipal building off I-90, slow, but helpful for when I missed my exit to charge. None were in places where I could walk somewhere to have a nice meal or shop unless I wanted to shop for a car. Free charging, whether its DC fast charging or AC charging, will be increasingly rare, so consider free charging to be a very rare but pleasant surprise, not anything to rely on.
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That was all good except where you said "hybrid with charging".
There's a big difference between "Hybrid" (no plug) and Plug-In Hybrid" (PHEV). You listed hybrids, which is probably the best fit for you since you don't appear to have a place to plug in nightly. Hybrids simply recharge their batteries through regenerative braking, not plugging in. It basically boosts your MPG by being able to recapture some energy that's normally lost to braking.
While a PHEV recaptures energy lost to braking too, it also has a plug where you can plug in overnight and get maybe 20-30 miles on electric each day.
Both are great options for the right situations, but with no plug at home, a PHEV has the same problem as a BEV (100% EV). You probably want a regular Hybrid.
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is this plugshare showing free DCFCs ? Wow, unicorns. Nice.Not really... 97 are 125kW or higher.
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Depends if you qualify for the tax credit, if you do, you can likely have an Escape PHEV for the same or less than the hybrid version. PHEV is great in that case because you can take advantage of free L2 at business, but you don't have to.
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You’ve got mail. Lots of it ?Not really... 97 are 125kW or higher.
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Depending on the region, DCFC is currently adequate and not unreasonably priced. The price to charge for longer distance travel is offset for many current EV drivers by the ability to charge at home or work for their regular daily drives. Infrastructure will need to grow as more people get EVs. This is particularly true in high density residential areas. It will be much easier for apartment dwellers with cars to go EV if there is charging where they park, even if it's level 1 or slow level 2 charging. People need to understand the growing pains we will be going through as more cars go EV. However, I think driving an EV is worth it, and others willing to put up with the growing pains will do so.
That map is unfortunately misleading. Looking at the chargers along the route I usually use from Maine to Ohio, there are four that would be useful. The two in Charlton, MA, are derated to 30-60 kW per comments. My husband stopped at one, and it is handy if our range is just a bit short to get to a more preferred charger, or are OK with a slower charger with open restrooms (good for driving late at night). One in NY on the thruway is closed due to complete rebuild of the rest stop. One in Youngstown, OH, was inaccessible last fall due to construction and repaving. It appears open again now, but all comments note high prices to charge. There are a couple dealership ones along the route as well, but they don't look reliably accessible. Looking further out to other places I may travel to, the ones near Pittsburgh all appear to now charge money. There is one at a library in Baltimore that actually looks free, but variable in reliability and derated to ~34 kW. This is what I expect if I am looking for free DC fast charging. Maybe some of the other ones are actually free, fast, and open to the public, but they're rare.Not really... 97 are 125kW or higher.
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60 cents is robbery. I hope they’ll reconsider.
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Because we as a nation should stop thinking like losers and go solve problems for a change. Build the damn network and make EVs accessible to the masses. It’s not that hard. But politicians should stop thinking in small, incremental ways and have a bold vision. No wonder why China is kicking our collective asses.
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Electricity is expensive in the Northeast. In Massachusetts, something like 60% of the supply has to be sourced from wind or solar. $0.25 or more per kWh to charge at home is pretty common here, and my provider has no off-peak pricing options.
