For those that say the Mach e isn’t a Mustang because it’s a SUV…

[Skyman63]

This prototype of a Mustang wagon was built in 1966 and Ford considered brining it to market, but decided the extra cost involved in making it would increase the sticker price too much.

It actually handled better than the regular Mustang because of the extra weight in the rear and an improved suspension to carry that weight.

So we can say Ford had ideas of a SUV-ish Mustang since early on in the first generation of the pony, it just took them 55 years to actually make it! I think it even pre-dated the Mach 1, Boss, and Shelby Mustangs.

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[2021-MMEx-RT1]

SUV? Back in the day that would be a Station Wagon, and the kids would fight to ride in the back of the back...


/Oh, and there was an 'experimental' version of the Vette with the same 'dressing'

 

[Mach1E]

This prototype of a Mustang wagon was built in 1966 and Ford considered brining it to market, but decided the extra cost involved in making it would increase the sticker price too much.

It actually handled better than the regular Mustang because of the extra weight in the rear and an improved suspension to carry that weight.

So we can say Ford had ideas of a SUV-ish Mustang since early on in the first generation of the pony, it just took them 55 years to actually make it! I think it even pre-dated the Mach 1, Boss, and Shelby Mustangs.

I’ve seen prototypes of vehicles where they turned a car into a boat.

That doesn’t make the real car they actually built a boat.

#logic

 

[Jerrytball]

I remember back in 2010 when I first got my Mustang and I still played around with Photoshop on my laptop. I kind of stretched my Mustang out and I’m like did Ford steal my idea lol

 

[MellowJohnny]

In the UK that body style is called a Shooting Brake. In the early 20th century there was a type of heavy wagon used for "breaking" horses called a break (later brake), then later used for hunting - a shooting brake. So basically the horse-drawn wagon gentlemen used when hunting.

Over the years Jaguar made a them, so did Volvo, and I heard that Mustang was actually sold in the UK, but others would know better than I would. Maybe it wasn't.

I'd love to see a Mach-E shooting brake - someone needs to do it! Wouldn't be too hard for a custom shop.

 

[Deleted User 981389]

I don't say it isn't a Mustang because it's an SUV, I say it isn't because it isn't. Also it's not really a SUV either.

 

[Teslaeata]

In the UK that body style is called a Shooting Brake. In the early 20th century there was a type of heavy wagon used for "breaking" horses called a break (later brake), then later used for hunting - a shooting brake. So basically the horse-drawn wagon gentlemen used when hunting.

Over the years Jaguar made a them, so did Volvo, and I heard that Mustang was actually sold in the UK, but others would know better than I would. Maybe it wasn't.

I'd love to see a Mach-E shooting brake - someone needs to do it! Wouldn't be too hard for a custom shop.

Shooting brake! Which century are you from?

I’m 62 and I can’t remember estate cars what they become or any cars being called shooting brakes.

Only usually in my early life did old farts in UK trying to appear older and more knowledgeable pretentiously use the term shooting brake?

Shooting break/latterly brake apparently dates from the 19th cejture1890s as horse-drawn carriages.

First automotive shooting brakes were manufactured in the early 1900s in the United Kingdom.

That vehicle style became popular in England during the 1920s and 1930s, and was produced by vehicle manufacturers or as conversions by coachbuilders.

The term was used in Britain interchangeably with estate car from the 1930s but has not been in general use for many years and has been more or less superseded by the term estate car.

……….apparently………..

 

[Teslaeata]

I don't say it isn't a Mustang because it's an SUV, I say it isn't because it isn't. Also it's not really a SUV either.

I just call mine “The Stang”

Anybody else can call it what they like ?

 

[Thunderbuck]

I just flat don't consider it an SUV anyway. It's too low, and I don't just mean the same-as-the-GT-coupe ground clearance. It isn't tall enough to be a "real" SUV. It's not even as tall as an Escape, which is a significantly smaller car.

Just for fun I once compared the dimensions of the Mach-E with a '71 coupe and found that length and width were VERY similar. The roof of the MME is about a foot higher, and I rationalize that as being needed for the battery. You still climb down into the car, the seating position isn't far off from the coupe. and the front view over the hood gives a very plausible muscle car feel. For me the only thing that really spoils it as a driver is the dashboard. It feels nice, and premium, but not particularly "sporty". But it's still better than the original Fox body dash so I forgive it.

Obviously the packaging is very different, with the longer wheelbase and the longer cabin space; Ford felt a strong need to make this more usable than a muscle coupe, and I get why from the standpoint of sheer marketing. I look at the market realities of 1964 and now and view the MME as being about as close to a mass-market sporty car as Ford was prepared to go, given how much they were putting at risk. As far as I'm concerned they put a lot more effort into making the MME look the part than many other EV makers.

 

[EVmodeler]

Shooting brake! Which century are you from?

I’m 62 and I can’t remember estate cars what they become or any cars being called shooting brakes.

Only usually in my early life did old farts in UK trying to appear older and more knowledgeable pretentiously use the term shooting brake?

Shooting break/latterly brake apparently dates from the 19th cejture1890s as horse-drawn carriages.

First automotive shooting brakes were manufactured in the early 1900s in the United Kingdom.

That vehicle style became popular in England during the 1920s and 1930s, and was produced by vehicle manufacturers or as conversions by coachbuilders.

The term was used in Britain interchangeably with estate car from the 1930s but has not been in general use for many years and has been more or less superseded by the term estate car.

……….apparently………..

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/do-you-consider-the-mach-e-an-suv.35155/page-2#post-783869

 

[Thunderbuck]

Shooting brake! Which century are you from?

I’m 62 and I can’t remember estate cars what they become or any cars being called shooting brakes.

Only usually in my early life did old farts in UK trying to appear older and more knowledgeable pretentiously use the term shooting brake?

Shooting break/latterly brake apparently dates from the 19th cejture1890s as horse-drawn carriages.

First automotive shooting brakes were manufactured in the early 1900s in the United Kingdom.

That vehicle style became popular in England during the 1920s and 1930s, and was produced by vehicle manufacturers or as conversions by coachbuilders.

The term was used in Britain interchangeably with estate car from the 1930s but has not been in general use for many years and has been more or less superseded by the term estate car.

……….apparently………..

A shooting brake is a very specific bodytype, a 2 door coupe with a wagon back (though I've seen some automakers try to claim one can have four doors, too, and I kind of roll my eyes). The Volvo P1800 had a great Shooting Brake style, and the infamous BMW "clown shoe" Z3 are good examples as well.

Yes, this Mustang prototype would have fit the term.

 

[Skyman63]

Ford built it, so Ford gets to call it whatever they want. Would you go to your neighbor and say “I see you named your kid Susan. She’s not what I think of when I hear the name Susan, so you can’t name her that.”?

Let us not forget Lee Ioccoca designed the car to be a “secretary’s” car. The iconic muscle car stuff came later.

I don’t consider a SUV either for the reasons stated above. But again, Ford built it, so it is what they call it. SUV and CUV are not well defined anyway. I think it’s absolutely ridiculous I have to register my vehicle as an suv/truck in Missouri.

And until all evidence is removed from the known universe that Ford ever made the car shown below, I never want to hear that my car isn’t a Mustang! Look at that thing! It’s about roll to over doing a gentle curve! I love the wording - “The original 65 Mustang got side tracked and transformed over the years..”!! So I guess this is what Ford considered a “real” Mustang. It is to my eternal shame that I desperately wanted one of those when I was in high school.

P.S. With fold down back seats, cargo area, and a hatchback, this car, a version of which was sold as a Mach 1, is as much an suv as our Mach e’s are.

 

[Tha_Ape]

Shooting brake! Which century are you from?

I’m 62 and I can’t remember estate cars what they become or any cars being called shooting brakes.

Only usually in my early life did old farts in UK trying to appear older and more knowledgeable pretentiously use the term shooting brake?

Shooting break/latterly brake apparently dates from the 19th cejture1890s as horse-drawn carriages.

First automotive shooting brakes were manufactured in the early 1900s in the United Kingdom.

That vehicle style became popular in England during the 1920s and 1930s, and was produced by vehicle manufacturers or as conversions by coachbuilders.

The term was used in Britain interchangeably with estate car from the 1930s but has not been in general use for many years and has been more or less superseded by the term estate car.

……….apparently………..

I think the difference is estates (station wagons here) have 4 doors. Shooting Brakes have 2. At least that's my opinion... The term is making a resurgence.

Mercedes and VW appear to be capitalizing on it and misusing it for their sporty wagons, but an overwhelming majority of cars called "shooting brakes " are 2dr sport wagons. Just check out Google images

There's even a Mustang concept lol

 

[MBCook]

A two-door wagon? That seems kind of impractical.

It’s not a coupe. It’s not a wagon. Cagon? Woupe?

Odd.

 

[Mach1E]

Ford built it, so Ford gets to call it whatever they want. Would you go to your neighbor and say “I see you named your kid Susan. She’s not what I think of when I hear the name Susan, so you can’t name her that.”?

Let us not forget Lee Ioccoca designed the car to be a “secretary’s” car. The iconic muscle car stuff came later.

I don’t consider a SUV either for the reasons stated above. But again, Ford built it, so it is what they call it. SUV and CUV are not well defined anyway. I think it’s absolutely ridiculous I have to register my vehicle as an suv/truck in Missouri.

And until all evidence is removed from the known universe that Ford ever made the car shown below, I never want to hear that my car isn’t a Mustang! Look at that thing! It’s about roll to over doing a gentle curve! I love the wording - “The original 65 Mustang got side tracked and transformed over the years..”!! So I guess this is what Ford considered a “real” Mustang. It is to my eternal shame that I desperately wanted one of those when I was in high school.

P.S. With fold down back seats, cargo area, and a hatchback, this car, a version of which was sold as a Mach 1, is as much an suv as our Mach e’s are.

So if I try to tell everyone my son is a cat, that makes him a cat? ?‍

FWIW, even Ford knew that thing you linked isn’t a real Mustang, that’s why they called it the “Mustang II.”

And when that horrible piece of junk went away, they went back to the “Mustang.”

We don’t drive a Mustang.

We drive a “Mustang Mach E.”

And just like the “Mustang II”, it is something different altogether.

Make- Ford
model- Mustang Mach E
Trim- GTPE

Not a Mustang

My 69 however-

Make- Ford
model- Mustang
Trim- Mach 1

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