Why the Mustang Mach E is better than the Tesla Model Y

[EV Lab]

tesla has to move fast right now. Really fast. the credits they sell are going going away each year. Elon is smart we all know that. That is why he jumped into the Asian market so fast. Tesla needs to get a big lead there more than sales here in America.

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Tesla may already be too late for the Chinese market. There are a lot of good cars being made for the Chinese home market that are much cheaper than Tesla, and will enjoy much more local support. Nio, Xpeng, SAIC, BYD all make very nice cars. BYD has been making decent BEVs for years, selling 753k last year alone. BYD also makes all their own batteries too and accounts for roughly the same overall market share as Panasonic.

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[DaveRuns]

Tesla Just Misses the 500,000 goal: no wonder the quality of Teslas are subpar. When you set a metric like this, you’re focused on quantity, not quality. Also, note....Elon is “Proud”.

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[trutolife27]

Tesla Just Misses the 500,000 goal: no wonder the quality of Teslas are subpar. When you set a metric like this, you’re focused on quantity, not quality. Also, note....Elon is “Proud”.

https://mol.im/a/9106481

we do not know the true problems of the mache, the model y. Just finding out more and more problems about the model s and model x. remember what we all know it's the 5 to 10-year ownership where the real problems happen. What is bad, tesla starts with so many right off the bat.

Points to what you said numbers vs quality

 

[Kamuelaflyer]

Oh I could theorise for days. Lol.

This is the Mach-e Forum. We'd be theorizing for years.

 

[efisher]

yep

Here is something we can think about. So if ford sales around 50,000 mache this year and 25,000 in North America where would that but the mache in sales vs other BEV.

Model y and model 3, I would say number 1 and 2. But who will be 3rd next year? where will the mache be?

remember ford was only expecting to sell 20,000 mache worldwide wide 2021 and now 50,000 if not more. more than 100% increase.

I think Ford's original goal was 50,000 based on battery availability, but I think they were able to increase that allotment to 80,000.

 

[trutolife27]

I think Ford's original goal was 50,000 based on battery availability, but I think they were able to increase that allotment to 80,000.

20,000 was the number. the battery they knew they could go up to 50,000. There was no plan for a second shift to start.

 

[trutolife27]

 

[silverelan]

20,000 was the number. the battery they knew they could go up to 50,000. There was no plan for a second shift to start.

I remember in November 2019, the general sense was that Ford was planning on up to 50,000 units for the first year of production if the demand was there. It has to be understood that 50k BEVs in the first 12 months of a program is a LOT and unprecedented in North American auto manufacturing.

For comparison, Tesla Model 3 sold something like 40,000 cars in its first 12 months (July 2017-July 2018) so the notion that Ford could possibly outsell the world's most popular EV in its initial year seemed laughable.

 

[ab13]

we do not know the true problems of the mache, the model y. Just finding out more and more problems about the model s and model x. remember what we all know it's the 5 to 10-year ownership where the real problems happen. What is bad, tesla starts with so many right off the bat.

Points to what you said numbers vs quality

One of the other missing things from the Model 3 and Y, no extended warranty offered by the manufacturer. It means they don't know the cost of service after warranty, or they know and the number is too high to sell to the customer.

 

[EV Lab]

I know people that work for Tesla, and even more who left because of how they choose to operate... Basically there is no QC, just get it out the door and deal with it later.

 

[dbsb3233]

Or look like you are heading to the next Mad Max movie filming. I just can’t get past the looks of it. Some people will love it. I hate it as much as a I hated the Pontiac Aztec.

That's me too. I still shake my head at the design of the CyberTruck. Tesla loyalists will buy anything that has a Tesla name on it, but beyond that I can't see many people buying one. Especially traditional truck buyers.

When I was in my 20's, I though the Delorean looked cool. The CyberTruck kinda reminds me of that. Some 20-somethings may buy because of the trendy cool factor, but that only gets you so far. Honestly, I think it's gonna fall well short of their expectations.

 

[trutolife27]

I remember in November 2019, the general sense was that Ford was planning on up to 50,000 units for the first year of production if the demand was there. It has to be understood that 50k BEVs in the first 12 months of a program is a LOT and unprecedented in North American auto manufacturing.

For comparison, Tesla Model 3 sold something like 40,000 cars in its first 12 months (July 2017-July 2018) so the notion that Ford could possibly outsell the world's most popular EV in its initial year seemed laughable.

correct, I just know more detail further back.

 

[DaveRuns]

I know people that work for Tesla, and even more who left because of how they choose to operate... Basically there is no QC, just get it out the door and deal with it later.

From a purely business perspective, until customers rise up and demand change, the quality issues will persist. It’s that simple.

 

[dbsb3233]

From a purely business perspective, until customers rise up and demand change, the quality issues will persist. It’s that simple.

They can try to demand it, but that in itself won't do much. The leverage is in customers walking away to the competition. Which will likely happen as more direct competition comes online from a number of manufacturers.

 

[jhalkias]

yep

Here is something we can think about. So if ford sales around 50,000 mache this year and 25,000 in North America where would that but the mache in sales vs other BEV.

Model y and model 3, I would say number 1 and 2. But who will be 3rd next year? where will the mache be?

remember ford was only expecting to sell 20,000 mache worldwide wide 2021 and now 50,000 if not more. more than 100% increase.

50,000 Mach E’s will be close to that number of less Tesla’s. And when the iD4 starts shipping and then assembling, even less.

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