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You and I both know how accurate the Dragy, Vbox and other GPS acceleration devices. If you want to nitpick, add the +/- 0.1s margin of error. It's been proven multiple times to be equivalent to what you get at a drag strip. In my opinion it's a better indication due to not having a pre-treated surface for better traction.
In order to compare the cars' times, you'd need to run both under the exact same conditions and location using the exact same device to have any sense of repeatability.
Dragy is great. And under ideal conditions, yes -- you're right. It's accurate there. But little things can interfere with that accuracy -- things like surface grades, curves, trees or overpasses, or even weather.

We'd need to bring both of our cars to the same stretch of road on the same day with our Dragys to get a valid comparison.
 

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well, that was for the model y performance. and last years. it all changed so the model y can have more range.

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As I understand it, the Model 3/Y uses the same drive unit hardware for the Performance and Long Range variants. That would help explain why for $2,000 Tesla will narrow the gap between the two cars.
 

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Until someone shows actual data on how the AWD functions in normal and aggressive driving conditions, no one knows on the MME. Pretty much everything is speculation at this point.
I'm basing this off of the numerous reviews I've seen which claim that the car drives like a RWD car and not like an AWD, in spirited driving. I don't have any objective data to back this up.
Here's the most recent reviewer to claim this:
 

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if the Mach-E had "track apps" (tm)(R)(C)(xyz) like the 2-door Mustangs, then you could have the car answer this for you.

maybe in an OTA.
 


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As I understand it, the Model 3/Y uses the same drive unit hardware for the Performance and Long Range variants. That would help explain why for $2,000 Tesla will narrow the gap between the two cars.
again the motors you said were not right. and they can turn all they want but the mache gt has 210 front motor and rear. with more battery also not used. So if tesla can add faster 0 to 60 you think for can't? lol
 

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and the mache gt has a 210 front and rear. so now what was your point again?
My point is that the MME all-wheel drive extended range does not have the drive unit hardware to maintain pace with Tesla's long range dual motor Model Y.

You are saying that to match Tesla's hardware, we have to upgrade to the GT.
 

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My point is that the MME all-wheel drive extended range does not have the drive unit hardware to maintain pace with Tesla's long range dual motor Model Y.

You are saying that to match Tesla's hardware, we have to upgrade to the GT.
duel motor long-range Tesla is only 69 not 200
 

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My point is that the MME all-wheel drive extended range does not have the drive unit hardware to maintain pace with Tesla's long range dual motor Model Y.

You are saying that to match Tesla's hardware, we have to upgrade to the GT.
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Checking the 2020 and 2021 LR also shows a major change to motor kW, with the front 2020 motor going from 158 kW to the 2021's 69 kW. The rear goes from 2020 203 kW to 2021's 201 kW, so it's not even from front to back.
My point is that the MME all-wheel drive extended range does not have the drive unit hardware to maintain pace with Tesla's long range dual motor Model Y.

You are saying that to match Tesla's hardware, we have to upgrade to the GT.
the model y performance is only 133kw for 2021 also, so guess your point should be man if ford turns up the mache gt 210 it could really be more than the model y performance?
 

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My point is that the MME all-wheel drive extended range does not have the drive unit hardware to maintain pace with Tesla's long range dual motor Model Y.

You are saying that to match Tesla's hardware, we have to upgrade to the GT.
Seems like there is a lot of apples to oranges comparisons going on.

It is odd to compare Mach-E AWD ER to a Model Y Performance. It would be better to do GT to MY Perf. Or MME AWD ER to a MY L.

Second... Comparing what is on paper as on official spec vs some people reading telemetry off the car is also not a straight comparison.
 

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Doesn't Ford detune engines all the time, despite them being mechanically identical?
what ford tunes or don't not talking that. I'm just pointing out your wrong misleading info. that would also be like well the mache weighs this much more than the model y. Let's put that much more weight in the model y then test them. really?
 

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duel motor long-range Tesla is only 69 not 200
Tesla numbers are severely understated. I'll post up my numbers, let me dig them up.

Edit: uploaded screen shot from Scan My Tesla app, which pulls the data from the car's CAN bus.
Below is my 2020 LR Y AWD with the performance boost. The gains from the upgrade is unlocking the front motors from 100 to 155 kW.
Ford Mustang Mach-E Edmunds: Mach E vs. Tesla Model Y comparison review 20201104_082048
 
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Checking the 2020 and 2021 LR also shows a major change to motor kW, with the front 2020 motor going from 158 kW to the 2021's 69 kW. The rear goes from 2020 203 kW to 2021's 201 kW, so it's not even from front to back.

the model y performance is only 133kw for 2021 also, so guess your point should be man if ford turns up the mache gt 210 it could really be more than the model y performance?
I wouldn't recommend using the numbers from any of those sites. Tesla sandbags their official numbers. The 2020 MYP has a 200 kW front motor and 270 kW rear motor, or approximately 629 hp.

For the LR, there is no change in the motors. They're still the same 990 motor, so those changes from 2020 to 2021, no clue where they got their source from. Note, there are a very small number of 2020 early VIN Model Ys that have the Performance 980 motors but these aren't part of the conversation since they aren't the norm.
 

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In order to compare the cars' times, you'd need to run both under the exact same conditions and location using the exact same device to have any sense of repeatability.
Dragy is great. And under ideal conditions, yes -- you're right. It's accurate there. But little things can interfere with that accuracy -- things like surface grades, curves, trees or overpasses, or even weather.

We'd need to bring both of our cars to the same stretch of road on the same day with our Dragys to get a valid comparison.
If you're within driving distance to Cecil County Dragway, I should be there a few times this year. I can bring the '20 LR Y w/ acceleration boost or my wife's '21 Model 3 Performance.
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