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Not really. This is a city POLICE Department. 99% plus of its use will be better served by extended range. If MA has a State Highway Patrol, or some such, at GT or GTPE would be more appropriate ( so long As pursuits never exceeded 5 seconds).
I'm not referring to acceleration. As mentioned, I'm referring to the beefed up 12V system that Ford recommends for police accessories. (and a Select isn't going to give higher range than a GT anyway)
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I'm not referring to acceleration. As mentioned, I'm referring to the beefed up 12V system that Ford recommends for police accessories. (and a Select isn't going to give higher range than a GT anyway)
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...We have free choice to purchase what we so choose, foreign or not. Our government doesn't have that same luxury. They have different requirements and obligations than I do. ...
I note that we have "many, many" governments in the USA, as we are a federated republic. And, afaik, the great preponderance of police forces in our country are county / township / parish, city, village, tribal and state level, not Federal.

Federal purchase decisions and Congressional legislation which guide said Federal police cruiser (and not county / township / parish, city, village, tribal and state) purchases thus affect a pretty tiny subset of police cruisers on the roads.

To illustrate this, other than in shoot 'em up FBI movies and outside of the Washington DC area, when was the last time we have seen a true Federal police cruiser? Even in the Washington DC region they are a minority of police cruisers in my observations.

Thus, police cruiser purchase decisions seem (to me) to be a result of a cacophony of local or very local decisions guided by local laws and ordinances and budgets and practices... as IMHO it should be. And therefore, by this logic we might more accurately refer to "local government" decisions, vice decisions of a mythical unitary "government" when we focus on EV police cruisers as they make their penetrations into the law enforcement market.

And for the record, I am a fan of fleet EV purchases by any fleet owner, private sector or public sector, as it expands the demand and also habituates fellow Americans to the growing EV presence.
 

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Thus, police cruiser purchase decisions seem (to me) to be a result of a cacophony of local or very local decisions guided by local laws and ordinances and budgets and practices... as IMHO it should be. And therefore, by this logic we might more accurately refer to "local government" decisions, vice decisions of a mythical unitary "government" when we focus on EV police cruisers as they make their penetrations into the law enforcement market.
When I was in college I briefly worked for the fire department as I wanted to go into the medical field since my mother is an ER doctor. We had the same rules then. The amount of paperwork we had to complete to show that we did comparisons of like brands/parts and that it was manufactured and sourced from US labor and materials was crazy. I'm not sure if everywhere is like that, and honestly I don't know if there's federal influence because all of these public service agencies receive federal money, but I know we had to.
 


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Buy America Act only requires 50% parts and labor be American. The Mach-E's may qualify. Also, there may be an exception in the law. I seem to remember that Canada has one. Why not Mexico? Ask your congress person.
Similar “Region of Origin” rules are about to kick in here making cars more expensive.

If a car is made with more than 55% parts from outside the car maker’s “Region” there’ll be a 10% premium to pay??‍♂

Problem is, the geographical European region (note small r) the UK is in don’t count for the economic Region (capital R for EU Region) applicable to cars, and in fact all manufactured goods, so UK cars Let sold in EU could get more expensive so making UK less competitive and some (far fewer) EU cars sold in UK could get more expensive.

Another Brexit “benefit”????

Let us back in, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeze??
 

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Wouldn't surprise me if they ordered the wrong one.

"The base vehicle (non-GT) does not have capacity for additional loads beyond vehicle standard equipment. This vehicle configuration should not be used for applications that add aftermarket equipment."

https://www.macheforum.com/site/attachments/mach-e_police_modifier_bulletin-pdf.70436/
I think you'll find that since 2023 Ford is making a version just for law enforcement with a beefed-up power system. Like the old Crown Vic's and the F-150's.
 

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I think you'll find that since 2023 Ford is making a version just for law enforcement with a beefed-up power system. Like the old Crown Vic's and the F-150's.
Do you have anything to cite that? I haven't seen anything on that. Not saying you're incorrect, but unless it's in writing somewhere all we have, that I've seen, is what I previously posted.
 

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I note that we have "many, many" governments in the USA, as we are a federated republic. And, afaik, the great preponderance of police forces in our country are county / township / parish, city, village, tribal and state level, not Federal.

Federal purchase decisions and Congressional legislation which guide said Federal police cruiser (and not county / township / parish, city, village, tribal and state) purchases thus affect a pretty tiny subset of police cruisers on the roads.

To illustrate this, other than in shoot 'em up FBI movies and outside of the Washington DC area, when was the last time we have seen a true Federal police cruiser? Even in the Washington DC region they are a minority of police cruisers in my observations.

Thus, police cruiser purchase decisions seem (to me) to be a result of a cacophony of local or very local decisions guided by local laws and ordinances and budgets and practices... as IMHO it should be. And therefore, by this logic we might more accurately refer to "local government" decisions, vice decisions of a mythical unitary "government" when we focus on EV police cruisers as they make their penetrations into the law enforcement market.

And for the record, I am a fan of fleet EV purchases by any fleet owner, private sector or public sector, as it expands the demand and also habituates fellow Americans to the growing EV presence.
There are at least 6 here where I live. There Are two high security US Government sites near me. White base, green trim marked Homeland Security. These are not border patrol, I see them farther north. The FBI vehicles are all black SUV's. And I regularly see one parked at his home overnight.
 

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Do you have anything to cite that? I haven't seen anything on that. Not saying you're incorrect, but unless it's in writing somewhere all we have, that I've seen, is what I previously posted.
To buy a police or other vehicle for Government purposes in NY, they have to go through the OGS system. The state does a testing and contract function for this. It includes a long list of requirements as to sourcing, warranties, and labor. It also involves the contract for the addition of police equipment as the state controls the car police computers and access. They also allow NYC to do their own thing within reason. Unfortunately, they are kept confidential to the public for security reasons.
As for sources, Farly had a small clip about making a Police version in the Ford notes about a year ago. The modifier bulletin sited was only for the 21 model year.
 
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Personally, I would prefer to see our tax dollars go to US manufactured EVs.
...and charging infrastructure and electrical grid improvements.
 

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As for sources, Farly had a small clip about making a Police version in the Ford notes about a year ago. The modifier bulletin sited was only for the 21 model year.
I understand that the bulletin is only for MY21, but my point is that we haven't seen anything that would confirm your assertion that they have a 2023 revised version. You made that statement with a great deal of confidence but nothing to back it up. Like I said, you could be correct. I'm just looking for the data to support it so that we, collectively, don't continue to say things that are incorrect if in fact they have a new model. Likewise, I don't want to say there's a new model if there isn't.
 

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Oh boy! Can finally put this 'Police Interceptor' badge to use...

BTW another thread all of this forum got alerted to?
 

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To buy a police or other vehicle for Government purposes in NY, they have to go through the OGS system. The state does a testing and contract function for this. It includes a long list of requirements as to sourcing, warranties, and labor. It also involves the contract for the addition of police equipment as the state controls the car police computers and access. They also allow NYC to do their own thing within reason. Unfortunately, they are kept confidential to the public for security reasons.
Do you have anything to cite that? I haven't seen anything on that. Not saying you're incorrect, but unless it's in writing somewhere all we have, that I've seen, is what I previously posted.
Fleets have a different way to work on this. When you buy a thousand or more vehicles things change a lot. They deal with the manufacturer directly and negotiate what they get and the cost. The formfactor of the 165-amp DC-DC converter will fit in any Mach E. So, if there is enough numbers, Ford will do it. When we had the Crown Vic's, it cost $45,000 just to convert them for police use here. Most of that cost was the fuel tank protection. NY just had a auction to get rid of 400 new vehicles that they had in a lot at Albany. A large percentage were police vehicles. But not EV's. So they need to go because the Govenor wants everything Green quickly.
 

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Fleets have a different way to work on this. When you buy a thousand or more vehicles things change a lot. They deal with the manufacturer directly and negotiate what they get and the cost. The formfactor of the 165-amp DC-DC converter will fit in any Mach E. So, if there is enough numbers, Ford will do it. When we had the Crown Vic's, it cost $45,000 just to convert them for police use here. Most of that cost was the fuel tank protection. NY just had a auction to get rid of 400 new vehicles that they had in a lot at Albany. A large percentage were police vehicles. But not EV's. So they need to go because the Govenor wants everything Green quickly.
Twice now I've asked you to provide evidence to your claim that:

I think you'll find that since 2023 Ford is making a version just for law enforcement with a beefed-up power system...
And twice now you have replied with your own assumptions.

So, can we agree that there's no evidence that Ford has made a police MachE other than what is outlined in the bulletin that we have?

Again, I'm not attempting to argue with you, but when you make a claim that's based on your assumptions, and not fact, we don't want to all go around repeating those assumptions if the only thing we have from Ford says the opposite.
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