Charging Costs (on the road)

[timbop]

I haven't seen a single pump yet in my life handle more than 6 or 7 cars an hour.

All the fuel tanks would have to be less than 15 gallons and all paying exact cash. No delays. No drivers leaving their cars and no snack bars. You a proposing the hypothetical NASCAR station that doesn't exist.

You haven't seen the Wawa by me, but OK we'll call it 7. We'll also have to say the DCFC probably won't ever do 3 cars an hour either - so the PEAK ration is somewhere around 7/2.3= 3:1 in favor of the gas pump.

As stated by others, there are also demand charges from the utilities which are significant.

If we're going to talk about "profiteering" I suggest you comparet the earnings reports for an altruistic company like exxonmobil and those greedy bastards at electrify america.

c'mon fellas, EA is going to have a helluva time breaking even when the dieselgate money runs out.

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[Maquis]

That is all part of the equation for sure. Power companies generally have excess electricity during the daytime, and that surplus is growing as the solar footprint increases. Power companies should be investing in charging stations which is cheaper than building battery farms. We are actually heading towards a major issue with the electricity grid as the number of EVs on the roads increases. What is the first thing many EV drivers do in the evening when they get home?

You have it backwards. Demand peaks during the daytime and is at a lull at night when people charge at home.

 

[mjs020294]

Plug in, with the car set to wait for off-peak rates...

There are no off peak rates in Florida.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

My car charges at home only during the peak solar generation period: 10:00 to 15:00. That's when I'm generating the most photon-powered electricity and when the utility charges the least (super off-peak during winter) for my electricity use (because they're trying to move customers to that period because CA utilities are paying them to take solar energy).

When I get a two-way vehicle, I'll be discharging it during the 15:00 - 20:00 time period to add reliability and stability to the grid and will charge during the 10:00 - 15:00 time period.

 

[RickMachE]

There are no off peak rates in Florida.

You are quite uninformed.


I own an electric vehicle – with the TOU rate help me save money?
Whether or not you would save depends upon a number of factors. As a general rule, electric vehicle owners who are able to shift their charging to off peak times, along with other household electric consumption – such as laundry and dishwashing - may save money on this rate. Call our Customer Care Center at (800) 226-3545 and request a rate analysis.


https://www.fpl.com/rates/time-of-use.html

 

[TruWrecks]

What is the first thing many EV drivers do in the evening when they get home?

Most power companies have the ability to require or offer off-peak hours for charging EVs that effectively flattens the demand curve throughout the 24-hour power plant day. If managed correctly the alarmist viewpoint of "EVs will break or grid" will be as useless as the crowd that rallied against gas cars saying "They are too loud and smelly, and will spook the horses.". The horse lovers were resisted by a different alarmist crowd that claimed "Horses are beasts of nature. They can't be trusted. They can be spooked and will trample people to death."

Got to love the Alarmist crowds. They are always wrong in the end, even though some of their arguments are for good reasons.

 

[Maquis]

You are quite uninformed.

That‘s my takeaway from this entire thread.

 

[mjs020294]

You are quite uninformed.


I own an electric vehicle – with the TOU rate help me save money?
Whether or not you would save depends upon a number of factors. As a general rule, electric vehicle owners who are able to shift their charging to off peak times, along with other household electric consumption – such as laundry and dishwashing - may save money on this rate. Call our Customer Care Center at (800) 226-3545 and request a rate analysis.


https://www.fpl.com/rates/time-of-use.html

FPL are one PC. The two PC I been a customer of do not offer TOU. I am not even sure if FPL offer TOU in my area.

 

[ChuckA]

You might want to do some more research before making claims like "unrestricted profiteering".

EA offers Pass+, which provides $0.31 cents vs. $0.43 per kWh.

In many states, EA charges by the minute, because they aren't allowed to charge by the hour. Per minute rates under Pass+ are $0.24. The effective cost per kWh in those states is around $0.15. Hardly profiteering.

As far as comparing to ICE, I just drove our third long distance trip. The cost to drive 625 miles, including me filling the battery back up at home, was under $43.45, or 7 cents a mile.

Assuming a vehicle got 35mpg, and gas cost $4.15, driving 625 miles would have cost $74.11.

I agree with your premise. It takes more usage to break even. The “unrestricted profiteering” offsets the “massive losses” on a per kWh basis.

 

[ChuckA]

There are no off peak rates in Florida.

I’m jealous of your rates. I have solar and still pay 17.4 cents per kWh. Last night it cost $2.61 to add 97 miles to my MME. Assuming my hybrid at 45 mpg, that’s $1.30 per gallon. …ouch…

 

[Sam2084]

Cost for DCFC is equal to or more than gas as a rule of thumb.

 

[mjs020294]

I’m jealous of your rates. I have solar and still pay 17.4 cents per kWh.

My openings post did say the charging rate should be inline with the local cost of electricity. If your residential rate is 0ver $0:20 kWh, which it is in some states then $0:31 kWh is not so bad. If you're in a State with rates under $0:10 kWh then fast charge rates and disproportionate IMO.

 

[bruceski88]

I haven't seen a single pump yet in my life handle more than 6 or 7 cars an hour.

All the fuel tanks would have to be less than 15 gallons and all paying exact cash. No delays. No drivers leaving their cars and no snack bars. You a proposing the hypothetical NASCAR station that doesn't exist.

Its called Costco

 

[ChuckA]

My openings post did say the charging rate should be inline with the local cost of electricity. If your residential rate is 0ver $0:20 kWh, which it is in some states then $0:31 kWh is not so bad. If you're in a State with rates under $0:10 kWh then fast charge rates and disproportionate IMO.

I agreed with you. My non-solar rate is near 27 cents per kWh which makes 31 cents per kWh at a fast charger look okay.

 

[mjs020294]

I agreed with you. My non-solar rate is near 27 cents per kWh which makes 31 cents per kWh at a fast charger look okay.

Well at least the ROI on solar is pretty quick when you have to pay the PC $0:27 kWh. Getting solar was a bordline financial decision for us because the pay back is nearly ten years.

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