Electrical System Drain Message

[Logal727]

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[ChuckA]

No new battery drain messages since password change. Will check in next week.

Same here since the MME was disconnected and the JuiceBox was connected instead.

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

Yours is being caused from when you enrolled in the Charge Smart MA app. They use a 3rd party API broker called SmartCar to ping your car. You unenrolled from Charge Smart MA, but SmartCar is probably still pinging your car. You need to change your FordPass password and I bet that fixes it. The APIM is not going to sleep because it's being pinged constantly by SmartCar, not because it's bad (or at least that's what I think). CHANGE YOUR PASSWORD.



Leave EV.energy disabled for two days as a test. Stop turning it on and off. If you changed your FordPass password, EV.energy should not update anymore, but it might take a day or two to register. It can still access your ChargePoint and control it, but it shouldn't know your % battery or miles of range anymore if you are successful at revoking access.

Lee, do you know if Recurrent can cause issues? I've had an an account with them for a few months and not had any issues, but I'm wondering if they could become a problem in the future...? Thanks.

 

[Mach-Lee]

Lee, do you know if Recurrent can cause issues? I've had an an account with them for a few months and not had any issues, but I'm wondering if they could become a problem in the future...? Thanks.

Short answer is yes, sometimes. I should make a post on this but a lot of these problematic apps use the same API provider (Smartcar). Recurrent only pings the car 3 times a day so that should be fine in theory. But I've gotten reports from other people they got battery warnings after installing Recurrent. I have a feeling it also has to do with the software on your car, if you have the latest software it might not cause issues but if you have old APIM/GWM/TCU/BCM software it might cause problems.

I can tell you some of the powers that be are trying to work together to solve the polling issues draining 12V batteries. Recurrent is aware and awaiting resolution from their partners.

If it's working for you, great, but keep an eye on it.

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

Short answer is yes, sometimes. I should make a post on this but a lot of these problematic apps use the same API provider (Smartcar). Recurrent only pings the car 3 times a day so that should be fine in theory. But I've gotten reports from other people they got battery warnings after installing Recurrent. I have a feeling it also has to do with the software on your car, if you have the latest software it might not cause issues but if you have old APIM/GWM/TCU/BCM software it might cause problems.

I can tell you some of the powers that be are trying to work together to solve the polling issues draining 12V batteries. Recurrent is aware and awaiting resolution from their partners.

If it's working for you, great, but keep an eye on it.

Cool, thanks! Will do, especially since I just installed the FITCAMX front and rear dash cams with parking mode...

 

[portlandg]

I got the message below about Electrical System Drain twice in the last two days on both FordPass and a few seconds on starting the MME.

The SOC% was what I expected and the car ran normally. Is this anything I should be concerned about?

BTW, I don’t shave anything in the ob2 slot or anything aftermarket attached.

It's a 12V battery drain and not your HVB. Usually I get it if my dashcam doesn't turn off or if I have left my phone plugged in. Also, the car is NEVER "off". It talks to Ford/FP app even when off which will use 12V battery power. However if unplugged and you have enough charge in the HVB it shouldn't be too much of an issue as your 12V should get charged from the HVB.

 

[ocr_salty]

Short answer is yes, sometimes. I should make a post on this but a lot of these problematic apps use the same API provider (Smartcar). Recurrent only pings the car 3 times a day so that should be fine in theory. But I've gotten reports from other people they got battery warnings after installing Recurrent. I have a feeling it also has to do with the software on your car, if you have the latest software it might not cause issues but if you have old APIM/GWM/TCU/BCM software it might cause problems.

I can tell you some of the powers that be are trying to work together to solve the polling issues draining 12V batteries. Recurrent is aware and awaiting resolution from their partners.

If it's working for you, great, but keep an eye on it.

Agree that smartcar causes an issue. My energy supplier in the UK uses them to talk to my MME for smart charging, I have to keep switching smart off and on to stop the battery drain message.

 

[JohnFoxeSheets]

Agree that smartcar causes an issue. My energy supplier in the UK uses them to talk to my MME for smart charging, I have to keep switching smart off and on to stop the battery drain message.

So smartcar isn’t, right??

 

[HuntingPudel]

Interestingly, I got this warning. I worked on the car for about an hour and a half. The windows were down and it was in accessory mode so I could listen to the radio. I had a 12V charger hooked up to it that was reporting 9.4A when first hooked up, tapering to less later. Charger reported 0A charging by the end of clean-up. My guess is that the charger saw the 12V battery was full, shit itself down, then the car sucked a bit more juice out of the 12V. Oddly, I never got this error before and I had the radio on for 6 hours before while the car was in the air. ?‍?

 

[Stang68]

From your post history my guess is the ev.energy utility management thing you signed up for is causing it.

Log in and remove your vehicle from your ev.energy account, or change your FordPass account password. Do not give your Ford password to any 3rd parties, including utility charging programs.

I just started using a ChargePoint EVSE connected to my utility provider for the off-peak discount and am now seeing the “Electrical system drain” message. However, I did not connect my Ford account to the utility or ChargePoint. All the utility has is the ChargePoint serial number and a “connection” in the Chargepoint app.

Would it be the ChargePoint charger polling the car for data that is causing this? That would seem silly since the charger would need to be plugged in to do that, meaning the LVB wouldn’t drain, right?

 

[ChuckA]

I just started using a ChargePoint EVSE connected to my utility provider for the off-peak discount and am now seeing the “Electrical system drain” message. However, I did not connect my Ford account to the utility or ChargePoint. All the utility has is the ChargePoint serial number and a “connection” in the Chargepoint app.

Would it be the ChargePoint charger polling the car for data that is causing this? That would seem silly since the charger would need to be plugged in to do that, meaning the LVB wouldn’t drain, right?

My utility also uses ev.energy. I’m in CT. As long as they are connected directly to the EVSE, and do not have your Fordpass login password, this isn’t causing your drain.

If for some reason you allowed ev.energy to login in to your FordPass account, call them and have the vehicle removed ( change FordPass password).

By the way, I was paid $250 rebate last year for participation.

 

[ChuckA]

Also, if you have an ob2 plug installed, this will cause system drain.

 

[Stang68]

My utility also uses ev.energy. I’m in CT. As long as they are connected directly to the EVSE, and do not have your Fordpass login password, this isn’t causing your drain.

If for some reason you allowed ev.energy to login in to your FordPass account, call them and have the vehicle removed ( change FordPass password).

By the way, I was paid $250 rebate last year for participation.

Thanks. I'm not sure what my utility uses, below is the screen I was told to connect with my utility in the Chargepoint app. Thankfully no Fordpass connection needed. So pinging should only happen when the EVSE is plugged into the car, and like you said, should keep the 12V topped off.

I have a dashcam installed via USB but unplugged it the first time I got this message a few days ago. Still getting the drain error message.

 

[HondaRacer]

I just started using a ChargePoint EVSE connected to my utility provider for the off-peak discount and am now seeing the “Electrical system drain” message. However, I did not connect my Ford account to the utility or ChargePoint. All the utility has is the ChargePoint serial number and a “connection” in the Chargepoint app.

Would it be the ChargePoint charger polling the car for data that is causing this? That would seem silly since the charger would need to be plugged in to do that, meaning the LVB wouldn’t drain, right?

I have the same. Chargepoint home flex connected to my electric utility. It has not caused any 12V drain issues. I’d be very surprised if the utility is able to poll the car in any way through the Chargepoint. I believe all it does is disable the charger during times of peak electric demand.

 

[Stang68]

I have the same. Chargepoint home flex connected to my electric utility. It has not caused any 12V drain issues. I’d be very surprised if the utility is able to poll the car in any way through the Chargepoint. I believe all it does is disable the charger during times of peak electric demand.

I am going to try this: Instead of the *vehicle* having the charge schedule I will set it to "charge whenever plugged in" but make the Chargepoint dictate when it charges on the schedule. Perhaps that will stop the EVSE from pinging for charging data while it's plugged in since it has more inherent information about the session.

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