EV6 Vs MME

[J-orange]

Just for giggles I punched in a VIN into USAA for an insurance quote, and the EV6 came out over 20% higher than a MME Premium E4x... and it didn't matter which model I selected for the Kia. Weird.

KIA and Mitsubishi lets say has a long history of being a car of choice of the not so financially responsible, careless driving, and living in areas of high auto theft. They carry higher risk for the insurance companies hence the higher rates.

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[Bigfeets]

I drove this car on Saturday 3/12/22 it feels cheap inside and it does not drive better than the MME . It looks better in photos than it does in person, again it feels cheap. The $12,000 ADM is a deal breaker too. EV6 wind RWD .... The Inioq 5 is better than this car and that one has an awful dash & it looks like a 1980's Mazda hatchback ..... MME premium FTW

I probably will keep my Hyundai Ioniq 5. I tried the Kia EV6 but took a pass. I'm still waiting for my MME order.

 

[SWO]

Hyundai/Kia invested a lot of money in design and fit/finish, but it's not clear to me at all that their powertrains are any better than years past. There are still reports of engines fragging themselves within 40k miles and to my knowledge, they still don't do any internal repairs on major powertrain components...ie, it's all disposable. If you read the owners manual, it will tell you that driving up or down hills, or driving in near freezing temperatures are adverse conditions requiring 3,xxx-mile oil change intervals. That speaks to the (lack of) quality of their engine construction.

Does any of this translate to EVs? People forget that they had their own Bolt-esque battery recall for the Ioniq Electric with people watching their cars burn to the ground. It will be interesting to see how the EV6/Ioniq 5 hold up.

 

[Petey]

I probably will keep my Hyundai Ioniq 5. I tried the Kia EV6 but took a pass. I'm still waiting for my MME order.

Same but different - I have an EV6 and so far everything is solid. The drive is not bouncy, the efficiency is somewhere around 3.5 mi/kwhr, and it's a blast to drive. Have started using the cooled seats too.

If / when the MME ever shows up - I'm not sure I'd be ready for the tradeoffs to go back to MME.

We can cherry pick issues with any brands - how about the 12V issues on this forum? There are MME cars that are getting bricked on this forum too. I would avoid painting with a broad brush for any of this stuff.

 

[SWO]

Same but different - I have an EV6 and so far everything is solid. The drive is not bouncy, the efficiency is somewhere around 3.5 mi/kwhr, and it's a blast to drive. Have started using the cooled seats too.

If / when the MME ever shows up - I'm not sure I'd be ready for the tradeoffs to go back to MME.

We can cherry pick issues with any brands - how about the 12V issues on this forum? There are MME cars that are getting bricked on this forum too. I would avoid painting with a broad brush for any of this stuff.

Funny....the Ioniq 5 (and presumably the EV6 as well) is having more widespread 12V issues. Lots of people with dead batteries.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/ionic-5-with-dead-12v-batteries.15946/

 

[Petey]

Funny....the Ioniq 5 (and presumably the EV6 as well) is having more widespread 12V issues. Lots of people with dead batteries.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/ionic-5-with-dead-12v-batteries.15946/

So one guy is "more widespread"? . or "Lots of people" ? This type of comment is exactly what I am talking about.

My EV6 works fine, and I'd guess if I my MME ever showed up - it would probably be fine too. These one off issues are not something to change peoples minds.

Do you know what are fair statements? The MME will take at least 45 minutes to get a full charge when you start with less than 20% charge. A MME premium ER AWD will have trouble reliably going under 4.8 secs in 0-60. A MME will not cool your seats.

 

[SWO]

So one guy is "more widespread"? . or "Lots of people" ? This type of comment is exactly what I am talking about.

My EV6 works fine, and I'd guess if I my MME ever showed up - it would probably be fine too. These one off issues are not something to change peoples minds.

Do you know what are fair statements? The MME will take at least 45 minutes to get a full charge when you start with less than 20% charge. A MME premium ER AWD will have trouble reliably going under 4.8 secs in 0-60. A MME will not cool your seats.

In the amount of time you spent picking out an eyeroll emoji, you could have googled to find forums full of people with the issue on their Hyundais/Kias:

https://www.speakev.com/threads/ev6-12v-dead-☠️.164077/page-4

https://www.kiaevforums.com/threads/disappointed.304/

https://www.kiaownersclub.co.uk/threads/ev6-dead.63417/

https://www.ioniqforum.com/threads/ioniq-5-12v-battery-dead-topic-again.39736/



https://www.speakev.com/threads/dreaded-12v-battery-problem-again-arrrrggghhh.165849/

Have a nice day. Good luck with your korean car.

 

[Bigfeets]

Funny....the Ioniq 5 (and presumably the EV6 as well) is having more widespread 12V issues. Lots of people with dead batteries.

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/ionic-5-with-dead-12v-batteries.15946/

Yep, I have a foot in both MME and Ioniq 5 forums since I bought a Hyundai Ioniq 5 and ordered a long-awaited MME. The I5 was sold in Europe in 2021. Starting in 2022 they have been sold in the US. 12v battery issues discussed in the Ioniq 5 forum are largely Brits and other English-speaking Europeans with 2021MY. The Ioniq 5 sold in the US this year has had some changes implemented that may have completely addressed the chronic 12v battery failure issue. It remains to be seen though. It's also unknown to me how similar/different the Ioniq 5 and the Kia EV6 may be regarding the 12v battery drains even though they share the same drive train they are different manufacturers.
I watch this forum to learn about MME issues and their solutions, not just to count the days until delivery.

 

[Ma9573]

Yep, I have a foot in both MME and Ioniq 5 forums since I bought a Hyundai Ioniq 5 and ordered a long-awaited MME. The I5 was sold in Europe in 2021. Starting in 2022 they have been sold in the US. 12v battery issues discussed in the Ioniq 5 forum are largely Brits and other English-speaking Europeans with 2021MY. The Ioniq 5 sold in the US this year has had some changes implemented that may have completely addressed the chronic 12v battery failure issue. It remains to be seen though. It's also unknown to me how similar/different the Ioniq 5 and the Kia EV6 may be regarding the 12v battery drains even though they share the same drive train they are different manufacturers.
I watch this forum to learn about MME issues and their solutions, not just to count the days until delivery.

So, my sister has an Ioniq 5 and one week into owning it the breaks completely went out while she was driving. Easy fix... But the parts were unavailable so they had her in a rental car for over a month while they waited. Got the car back and within two weeks the 12 volt battery died, stranding her at home. Dealer says it's happened with a few of their cars.

That said, I dig both the Ioniq 5 and EV6 and would definitely get one if I found one of either without markup, to replace our Polestar, which is just too small. Most likely is that our AWD Route 1 it from October will come in before we'd ever find a no ADM EV on a lot, and thus we'll be a 2 Mach E household eventually lol

 

[Bigfeets]

So, my sister has an Ioniq 5 and one week into owning it the breaks completely went out while she was driving. Easy fix... But the parts were unavailable so they had her in a rental car for over a month while they waited. Got the car back and within two weeks the 12 volt battery died, stranding her at home. Dealer says it's happened with a few of their cars.

That said, I dig both the Ioniq 5 and EV6 and would definitely get one if I found one of either without markup, to replace our Polestar, which is just too small. Most likely is that our AWD Route 1 it from October will come in before we'd ever find a no ADM EV on a lot, and thus we'll be a 2 Mach E household eventually lol

Congrats on your good judgment. ?
I'm curious about Hyundai Ioniq 5 12v battery issue of 2022MY sold in US.

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

So far my EV6 was supposed to arrive on Feb 21, then Apr 21, and now Apr 27. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Chiefsfan]

EV6 has:
+ V2L ability
+ Longer warranty
+ Tow rated
+ Longer EPA range
+ 4.4s vs 5.1s 0-60 standing start
+ Augmented reality HUD
+ Wider tires for superior lateral grip
+ Lighter weight

- weak infotainment system
- minimal OTA capability
- poor internal nav + charging integration
- no glass roof (dark, claustrophobic backseat)
- no Plug and Charge
- minimal aftermarket accessories

That sums it up.

 

[Rk808]

The local Kia dealer had a EV6 shipment arrive and had several in stock so I decided to go down and take a test ride. Okay will have to admit the ride was nice and smooth and first impression was overall good. ADM was 5k, also the AWD version was 5k more and it did not come with a cargo cover because the dealer didn’t order it.
Aside from the ride it was KIA EV6 VS MME along with a whole list of comparisons outlined above. Ultimately I think the real competition will be the GV60 in about 1-2 years when all the other manufacturer’s bev’s hit the market. Ride quality at this price point will be an purchase factor and maybe by then MME may have a old driver give me a comfortable ride along with better seat option

Game changer tech will be higher voltage battery/better materials and ultra quick recharge as well as digital enhancements (digital side mirrors are on the way) and just a host of how it’s to be integrated options. Am sure Ford will be all over that.

ultimately decided to just wait for a delivery of my November 3 2021 order and see if they are enough changes in the next two years to entice me to upgrade.

In the meantime If anybody has figured out how to smooth the ride out that would be great

 

[Petey]

EV6 just had an update customers can apply themselves via a USB drive. Not exactly OTA, but better than nothing I guess? Updated the maps and some of the radio stuff.

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

So far my EV6 was supposed to arrive on Feb 21, then Apr 21, and now Apr 27. I'm not holding my breath.

so, it arrived today, finally. I test drove it. I ended up walking away, because they couldn't do Kia Retail Advantage (the Kia answer to Ford Options; supposedly it's only certain dealers that can do it, which the finance guy only said after he told me it didn't exist, called the regional finance guy in front of me to prove it, then had to say "oh oops").

Short thoughts from the test drive:

• the instrumentation part of the dash is a lot more like many of you have asked for; live power information, for example. I didn't completely work it all out in the test drive though.
• The paddle regen buttons are really, really bad; in particular, when you remove your finger from the "+" the car immediately goes into coasting mode. This might be a driver education thing but it wasn't what I'd want at all because it meant the deceleration dropped immediately and that's not good at all.
• I noticed no drive handling difference in the three modes. The ride quality was the big thing that I wanted to see change and it just didn't seem to do anything of note. The ride wasn't really that much better (although it was a little better) than the Mach-E, not enough to matter in my opinion in any of the three driving modes.
• The Kia owner app and web site are trash. They have been down repeatedly; right now, I have the car I walked away from registered, but I can't unregister it because the site it broken. Allow me to share this from a Kia forum:
  
  
  Yes, EV6 owners put Ford on the same level as Tesla on this. That should give you an idea of just how awful their current setup is.
• If I didn't have the Mach-E, I'd be a lot more open to buying it as a "first EV". But as an impulse-y sort of thing, without the balloon financing option? No way.
• The handles stay open, supposedly, when the door is unlocked; you have to lock the doors to get them to go in. They are just screaming "break me off" in a really bad way.
• The cabin sound insulation is not anywhere near as good as the Mach-E (2021, with the better glass).
• There was something rattling around badly in the back. It looks like it was maybe the V2V charging adapter, but it's not completely clear. Since I walked, it ultimately didn't matter.
• The dealer is sure they will sell my left behind car with an ADM and I bet they will. So good on them I guess. They made sure they understood how nice they were being by following Kia's letter to them (that I'm sure they didn't realize I knew about) and not charging me a markup.
• They added the $1000 charger (that's worth like, $400) and a $1300 extended warranty despite my telling them not too. They took them off easily enough but it was still annoying.
• They tried to tell me that the tax credit would go to me on a lease, which it wouldn't, and didn't take it off the lease payments or adjust the residual, so pretty much the $7500 would vaporize completely on the lease. Yeah, no.
• The salesperson called me back about 20 minutes later to try to salvage the deal - "we can get it to $900-something at 66 months" and I was like, "no, you know the number I was looking for." They know because they ran the lease (again without the $7500 accounted for) so they have the exact number I was expecting.

Anyway, dealers gotta be dealers I guess. But be warned if you're interested in this car, and want the Ford Options equivalent, you should know if your dealer will do it ahead of time. Unlike Ford Options where it's a dealership education thing, it's apparently a lot worse than that in Kia land.

I admit to being disappointed, but ultimately this is probably the right outcome. ?

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