Ford Charger for Mach-E

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

Here's my question on this - we know that there is an installation service that's going to be offered with the Ford charger. How inclusive will that service be? For example, I'm out of space on my breaker panel - will dealing with a panel swap and doing the power company dance to uprate the service to the home all be covered in that service? It seems like since they are going to offer rolling it into the purchase that it needs to be fixed price (right?), and I'd be looking at a lot more work than other people. Mainly just asking because if all that isn't included I might as well schedule a local electrician and the work now and eat the cost so it's all set to go.

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[dbsb3233]

Ahhhhh yes we all want the wiring and circuit complete ASAP. Please list
the plug type and correct amps so I can get this done !!!
Fact is we do not know any of this at this time. We have 22 pages here and
still do not know the specs. I enjoy all the posts and we have learned a lot .
I can and must wait. The install we all want can be done in 1/2 day as long
as we have the correct info.

And most people that have a place to put in a charger (like a garage) already have a 120V outlet nearby. That can get many people by initially if they just wanna wait until they get the vehicle and decide about a 240V install then. 120V should add around 40-50 miles per night on a 15 hour charge.

It's probably not the long-term answer for most, but for people that don't have 50+ mile daily commutes and don't plan a road trip anytime soon, it should be enough to get by initially. Plus then you have the Ford Mobile Charger in hand to actually see it and decide what's going to work best for them.

 

[Stickboy46]

Yes confusing when it gets so close to what you can do.
Hire an electrician. Save your invoice for insurance.
I'm gettin too old to know all the new code. And do not forget
local codes. Local code must follow NEC code but they can also
supersede the code.

Insurance was the exact reason i paid an electrician to run the 60 amp circuit for my Tesla charger. If a fire started due to the high power for some reason, I didn't want them come back and denying the coverage based on that.

 

[Stickboy46]

Here's my question on this - we know that there is an installation service that's going to be offered with the Ford charger. How inclusive will that service be? For example, I'm out of space on my breaker panel - will dealing with a panel swap and doing the power company dance to uprate the service to the home all be covered in that service? It seems like since they are going to offer rolling it into the purchase that it needs to be fixed price (right?), and I'd be looking at a lot more work than other people. Mainly just asking because if all that isn't included I might as well schedule a local electrician and the work now and eat the cost so it's all set to go.

My guess is it's just contracted out to local electricians. So they can likely do whatever you need .... but the cost will vary.

Did they state you can include the INSTALL cost in your purchase price? I thought it was just the cost of the connected charge station itself.

 

[hybrid2bev]

It seems like since they are going to offer rolling it into the purchase that it needs to be fixed price (right?),

If you are talking about Ford Options, you are kind of on the right track because you can only include the cost of the EVSE wall unit in your financing, not the installation costs/parts.

 

[macchiaz-o]

Ebay, trailer businesses often have what is needed.

Not for a safe installation, IMHO. Ford's mobile charger includes a 120V 15A cord and a 240V 50A cord. The EVSE automatically reduces it's maximum amperage from 32 to 12 when the 120V cord is attached.

I'm just wanting to know if Ford will sell a standard 4-pin dryer plug which will achieve similar effect (reducing max current to 24A). This will help me decide if I want/need to purchase a third party EVSE.

An adapter from a trailer place or eBay will NOT force that reduction. Ford's cord is using a resistor in some extra pins on the end that plugs into the EVSE in order to configure the maximum current.

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

Did they state you can include the INSTALL cost in your purchase price? I thought it was just the cost of the connected charge station itself.

I thought so, but I could be remembering wrong (translates to "full of crap").

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

If you are talking about Ford Options, you are kind of on the right track because you can only include the cost of the EVSE wall unit in your financing, not the installation costs/parts.

Ah, well, in that case, I guess I'll just go with a local electrician in the next few months as it's convenient to have it done.

 

[dbsb3233]

Ah, well, in that case, I guess I'll just go with a local electrician in the next few months as it's convenient to have it done.

Check to see what federal, state, and or power company rebates/tax credits might be available too.

 

[SnBGC]

Dryer outlets in North America are generally 30A, not the 40A or greater required to safely use the mobile charger at its full capacity. So you'd want to make sure you limit charging current to 24A if you're using a dryer outlet.

I'm still waiting to see what information Ford makes available about the mobile charger. I'd like to know if they'll supply or sell various adapters to safely connect the mobile charger to a variety of outlets. Tesla sells them for their mobile charger. Seems like a great idea!

Good point.
The power supply that comes with the MME has two swapable adapters. One 3 prong for 120v outlet and one 14-50 for RV/Electric Oven outlets. If Ford sells a 14-30 adapter then it would plug into a dryer outlet. According to this article, the power supply will self adjust to whatever amperage is available and avoid drawing too much current.
https://electrek.co/2019/11/18/ford-mustang-mach-e-home-charging-on-par-with-tesla/

I agree with you......it will be very interesting to see if Ford sells such adapters for their standard EVSE units.

 

[timbop]

Here's my question on this - we know that there is an installation service that's going to be offered with the Ford charger. How inclusive will that service be? For example, I'm out of space on my breaker panel - will dealing with a panel swap and doing the power company dance to uprate the service to the home all be covered in that service? It seems like since they are going to offer rolling it into the purchase that it needs to be fixed price (right?), and I'd be looking at a lot more work than other people. Mainly just asking because if all that isn't included I might as well schedule a local electrician and the work now and eat the cost so it's all set to go.

The installation service is through Amazon, which basically means Bezos marks up a local electrician. You will have to pay on that basis -it will not be a flat fee covering "whatever it takes".

 

[Sweetwater]

We are all screwed !!! Fed Tax rebates for charger install end Dec. 31, 2020.
And my state Ohio only offers rebates to Comm. installs not resident.
Electric Car Tax Credits, Incentives & Rebates by State | Enel X

 

[ChasingCoral]

We are all screwed !!! Fed Tax rebates for charger install end Dec. 31, 2020.
And my state Ohio only offers rebates to Comm. installs not resident.
Electric Car Tax Credits, Incentives & Rebates by State | Enel X

Not really. Just install the EVSE before the end of the year.

 

[Sweetwater]

Not really. Just install the EVSE before the end of the year.

Yes if we get correct info. I can wait till we know more. It maybe soon
as this is just gettin to be July. Yes the excitement is soon to be here.
I hope MME is all and more than we all learned on this Forum.
Thanks to all of us we shared many thoughts and info that has helped
ease the pain of waiting. We learned ALOT !!!!

 

[GoGoGadgetMachE]

I'm having an electrician come out for an estimate on some work later this week - I need to have a new panel put in for unrelated work, but I'm going to have them also do a proper setup for the MME. My question is, for the absolute ideal case, since I have a chance to get it right the first time here, what should I specifically ask for? I think it's a NEMA 14-50 plug on a 60 amp circuit - is that right?

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