Fordpass charging logistics: when will we know?

[SnBGC]

I'm really expecting to go primarily pay at the pump (er.... plug)....

I dunno, we'll see how it goes, but I think most people get worked up about fast charging out of proportion to how little they use it.

My thoughts exactly. In a non-pandemic world, I road trip once a year at most. In those cases I almost always rent a vehicle just because I have stuff to carry with me like additional passengers and their luggage.

I am not expecting to take the MME on road trips except for the occasional excursion to Tucson to visit family. (120 miles each way). Plenty of DCFC choices along that route so I am good even with the standard range battery.

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[jeffdawgfan]

My question is how do we know what apps, cards, or fobs we will need (in regards to charging stations)? If we pull up to a station and it’s not supported by FordPass, I’d hate to be left stranded or waste valuable time waiting to figure it all out. I’ve never had an EV before, so I’m generally clueless about all this.

I have accounts at all of them. That means keeping the RFID cards/Apps/etc in the car so I can use any type of charging station. Unfortunately, that also means if someone steals the car they can charge at my expense until I can cancel all of them.

 

[SnBGC]

I have accounts at all of them. That means keeping the RFID cards/Apps/etc in the car so I can use any type of charging station. Unfortunately, that also means if someone steals the car they can charge at my expense until I can cancel all of them.

If someone were to steal my BEV then that would be a fun day.....especially if they were dumb enough to take it to a DCFC station.

We can track our car's location with ease, lock the doors etc. Our own version of Candid Camera (for those of us that are old enough to remember that show....)

 

[timbop]

For the stations that require a network-specific card swipe to start, I wonder if we'll be receiving a charge station activation card, like those that the UK buyers will be receiving?

https://www.macheforum.com/site/threads/uk-customers.588/post-77447

Hopefully for stations that require NFC tap-to-start, we'll be able to tap our phones. (Not sure if that works with Apple phones, but it would work on Android.)

THANK YOU! Finally, on post #59 someone actually discussed the point broached in the OP!

I wasn't aware that they were giving out an actual card in the UK, and I'm curious if there is a single card OR a single network. It wouldn't make sense if there had to be multiple cards here in the US, but maybe they can have a single card work on multiple networks? I guess it's possible a phone could work for NFC stations, but I wonder if you'd have to open the fordpass app?

I guess I'll have to wait until post 118 to see the response to those questions...

 

[SnBGC]

Best anti-theft device ever. A thief sees this and they would be super foolish to steal it.

 

[DBC]

My understanding is you can buy a plug that works with Tesla and therefore you can also use Tesla's DCFC network. I don't know how you pay or what you need for them but since they have the widest DCFC network until Fordpass really does what it is supposed to do, that seems like the most reliable way to get DCFC.

I think you're confusing Tesla DESTINATION chargers with Tesla SUPERCHARGERS. The Destination chargers are basically high power AC Level II chargers. Lots of hotels/motels have them installed. You can get an adapter to use them and they should get you a full charge overnight. Payment is usually through the business which has installed them -- usually free if you're staying there.

You can't use a supercharger because the vehicle has to be recognized and Tesla won't recognize a vehicle which isn't a Tesla. So an adapter won't help. This is not, however, a big deal. The EA network has about the same coverage and has more high power chargers. Here is a visual comparison of available chargers 200KW and above:

Tesla's

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[Kamuelaflyer]

THANK YOU! Finally, on post #59 someone actually discussed the point broached in the OP!

I wasn't aware that they were giving out an actual card in the UK, and I'm curious if there is a single card OR a single network. It wouldn't make sense if there had to be multiple cards here in the US, but maybe they can have a single card work on multiple networks? I guess it's possible a phone could work for NFC stations, but I wonder if you'd have to open the fordpass app?

I guess I'll have to wait until post 118 to see the response to those questions...

I was just presuming (a bad thing I know), that the FordPass app would (eventually) have the capability to authorize/pay at all participating network DCFC. Not a good presumption I see though.

 

[PaulD]

THANK YOU! Finally, on post #59 someone actually discussed the point broached in the OP!

I wasn't aware that they were giving out an actual card in the UK, and I'm curious if there is a single card OR a single network. It wouldn't make sense if there had to be multiple cards here in the US, but maybe they can have a single card work on multiple networks? I guess it's possible a phone could work for NFC stations, but I wonder if you'd have to open the fordpass app?

I guess I'll have to wait until post 118 to see the response to those questions...

i am not able to wait until 118 as I have to go to bed now.

From Ford UK

Public charging

Ford plans to offer access to public charging stations across Europe. Chargers can be unlocked using the Ford charge card (RFID card), the FordPass app or Plug and Charge. You’re likely to come across several different types of pubic charger for your electric vehicle:

In the UK we understand at present it covers at least 2 networks. I expect or is that hope Ford will agree arrangements with others.

 

[Badger_Prof]

300 mile EVs with 150 kW DCFC are kinda wasted sitting around town, no? I assume a lot of us on here will be road tripping the heck out of our Mach-Es.

We use our hybrid mostly around town. I don't consider the 16 gallon gas tank "kinda wasted"--just convenient. I will use my Mach-E mostly around town and went for the extended range. Don't consider that "kinda wasted"--just convenient. Felt the same when I moved from my 80 mile range Leaf to my 235 mile Bolt.

 

[As3357]

I'm really expecting to go primarily pay at the pump (er.... plug). I have a 40A Grizzl-e at home (installed today!) so I expect to charge on the road very rarely. I doubt I'll use DCFC more than 10 times in a year, and I've been swiping credit cards at gas pumps all my life so I don't think it'll feel significantly inconvenient to do so with an EV.

I dunno, we'll see how it goes, but I think most people get worked up about fast charging out of proportion to how little they use it.

I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was. Especially as someone that never drove an EV before.

 

[DrBeck]

THANK YOU! Finally, on post #59 someone actually discussed the point broached in the OP!

I wasn't aware that they were giving out an actual card in the UK, and I'm curious if there is a single card OR a single network. It wouldn't make sense if there had to be multiple cards here in the US, but maybe they can have a single card work on multiple networks? I guess it's possible a phone could work for NFC stations, but I wonder if you'd have to open the fordpass app?

I guess I'll have to wait until post 118 to see the response to those questions...

I will tell you this. On my experience with Chevy Bolt EVs, they gave me a key chain card. It depends. Volkswagen AG and Ford have signed the agreement two years ago. ElectrifyAmerica is owned by Volkswagen AG. Their goal is to recognize the car charging by the data sent to the charger when you plug it in to charge, and thus know if you have Ford Pass or not. That is the goal. You do not have to use a credit card at EA stations. Us the app. I believe the Ford network is really EA. It is the best and extensive. Ford uses the J-1772 AND SAE CCS

 

[generaltso]

I guess it's possible a phone could work for NFC stations, but I wonder if you'd have to open the fordpass app?

I wouldn’t think you’d have to open the app to use NFC. You don’t with ChargePoint. I just tap my watch on the station.

 

[macchiaz-o]

THANK YOU! Finally, on post #59 someone actually discussed the point broached in the OP!

I wasn't aware that they were giving out an actual card in the UK, and I'm curious if there is a single card OR a single network. It wouldn't make sense if there had to be multiple cards here in the US, but maybe they can have a single card work on multiple networks? I guess it's possible a phone could work for NFC stations, but I wonder if you'd have to open the fordpass app?

I guess I'll have to wait until post 118 to see the response to those questions...

I think this is all we've been told so far:

https://media.ford.com/content/ford...argest-electric-vehicle-charting-network.html

https://media.ford.com/content/ford...15/ford-mustang-mach-e-electrify-america.html

https://www.ford.com/buy-site-wide-content/overlays/mach-e-overlays/public-charging/

https://www.ford.com/buy-site-wide-content/overlays/try-the-tech/

You can also go into the FordPass app to play around with this on the map. However it is no longer working for me on my Pixel 3a phone. When I tap to see charging locations it never finishes loading the page. (It used to work.)

Keeping in mind I have no experience with this yet... this last part is speculative.

Not all stations are part of the FordPass Charging Network. For non-network stations that charge a fee, FordPass and the vehicle won't play any role in authorizing the refueling.

For locations that are part of FPCN, for which Ford is claiming 13,500+ North American locations with an average of about 3 plugs per location at this point, somehow FordPass is going to help us authorize the refueling:

• We already know that for Electrify America locations, plug and charge is enabled (or will be very soon).
• We know that Ford is partnered with Greenlots. Traditionally, Greenlots authorizes payment in one of several ways: scan a QR code from its app or type in the station's ID (so maybe FordPass will do this instead?), tap an RFID card (maybe Ford will send us a FordPass RFID card??), call on telephone and authorize via a customer service agent. BTW Greenlots has zero locations in Arizona.
• ChargePoint stations also appear to be in FPCN. Traditionally, they negotiate charge payments by tapping the phone (NFC, no need to launch the app).
• Blink stations also appear to be in FPCN. I don't know how they authorize payment. Too tired to check at this point.

 

[ChasingCoral]

Illinois's I-Pass has no maintenance fee. You do have to preload it with money, but that money can sit there untouched for months or years. The I-Pass is compatible with all E-zpass tolls.

Maryland had free EZ-Pass with no maintenance fee.

 

[macchiaz-o]

Just a quick follow up...

I decided to clear the data & cache for the FordPass app on Android. Now the EV charge map locations are working for me again. This is a much better way to see the EV stations than the extremely limited try-the-tech web site that I shared above.

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